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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2013, 05:52:10 pm » |
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Who the he!! Gave them the authority and power to vote in their own paycheck? That would be that document you think we need to adhere to ... the Constitution. show it to me!!!!! r u saying it says "i the constitution give all politicains the right to increase their wages while the working class foots the entire bill" Charles, Charles, Charles. Hmmmmm. No one said "all politicians". The topic was Congress. Article 1, Section 6 of the U. S. Constitution - Compensation, Privileges, Disqualification in certain cases.
1. The Senators and Representatives shall receive a compensation for their services, to be ascertained by law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place. |
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2013, 06:06:05 pm » |
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so they have a law of do as i say, not as i do, are exempt from any charges under a felony, they can lie, cheat, steal and get away with it. wow, what a lovely gov u have. oh im sorry, a lovely dictatorship. they modify the constitution to suite their agenda and step on any toes that get in the way. screw them!!!!!! remove them!!!!!
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Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can!
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2013, 06:13:15 pm » |
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rl , it wasn't too many years ago that they would have been run out on a rail for treason ...... be fore they were able to commit anything else !!!!!
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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2013, 06:14:04 pm » |
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they modify the constitution to suite their agenda and step on any toes that get in the way. screw them!!!!!! remove them!!!!!
Wow! You make me wonder why I converse with you. You do realize that what I posted above is from the ORIGINAL Constitution. This is not an amendment. They did not "modify the constitution". This was written in 1787. For someone who rails that we have veered away from the Constitution you don't seem to know much about it. |
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2013, 06:17:46 pm » |
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rl , it wasn't too many years ago that they would have been run out on a rail for treason OK, I'll bite. What act of treason has Congress committed? |
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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2013, 06:27:56 pm » |
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they modify the constitution to suite their agenda and step on any toes that get in the way. screw them!!!!!! remove them!!!!!
Wow! You make me wonder why I converse with you. You do realize that what I posted above is from the ORIGINAL Constitution. This is not an amendment. They did not "modify the constitution". This was written in 1787. For someone who rails that we have veered away from the Constitution you don't seem to know much about it. i will agree with you that i dont know 100% of it and if it was no mods then so be it, but i didnt see in your post where it said they could do a midnight voting session and give theirselves a raise from the sweat and back breaking work of the people while the people are struggling to stay afloat. if you dont like conversing with me, then you have the option to not respond to me threads. im not making you respond/converse with me, u do upon your own free will. i didnt ask for you to respond, but it is a PUBLIC forum, open to any1 to contribute to a topic. u dont like conversing with me, then dont, and i will do the same from here on out on your replies. |
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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2013, 06:31:33 pm » |
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MR. RL , at one time putting your own interests ahead of the good of the country would cause you too be tarred , feathered and ran out of town on a rail... if not worse !!
of course thats back when we had people with education , AND COMMON SENSE together !!!
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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2013, 09:56:15 pm » |
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I agree that a 900$ raise per year aint much for a big time politician, he!!, they all come out of office rich compared to what they were when they went in. I think it was just Obama rubbing our noses in it, letting us know, once again, he can do anything he wants and aint nothing we can do about. He and his cronies, dem and rep( aint no difference any more) are all crooks. Even after they are voted out, they lobby and make even more $$. Look at breaux from La and ol ,,,, crap , i forgot his name, but was rep speaker of the house. Just came out them two were lobbying for all the pork that went into the "over the cliff"bill. It just never ends. Some honest politician(oxymoron) needs to sponsor a bill making it illegal to add ANYTHING to a bill. Every bill should be voted on , on it's own merit. Sorry, i'm rambling and off topic some, but i am so sick of politicians. And just wait, Obama' s highrpest priorities are gun control and immigration reform,,,, disarming the honest working class, and legalizing illegal aliens to pad the voter rolls for the dems,,,
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2013, 10:38:51 pm » |
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I wish I could tell you it is going to get better but I would be speaking with a forked tounge. Things really started going to hell in a hand basket during the Johnson administration in 1964.
My son used to live in New York City and he had to pay federal, state, county, and city income taxes which added up to 53% of his pay. Tell me that if you don't even get 50% of what you make it is anywhere close to fair.
The bad thing is that the welfare loafers have tipped the scales and can vote the worthless politicians in office that will give them what they want.
I turned 69 today and am not going to live long enough to see this great country really crater. The politicians have dumbed down the electorate enough that they will believe anything and vote for them if they promise goodies. I feel very sorry for my son, grand children, and all of you young folks because you are not going to have a chance to make it.
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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2013, 07:22:45 am » |
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Hog Dog Mike...by time I pay taxes to work...taxes at the pump...taxes on my 10 acres...taxes on my house...taxes on about anything I buy...and then pay for medical insurance...insurance on my vehicles...insurance on my house...there just ain't much left over to live...  my youngest son graduated in 2000 and I still pay school taxes...  |
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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2013, 08:46:26 am » |
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Things really started going to hell in a hand basket during the Johnson administration in 1964.
My son used to live in New York City and he had to pay federal, state, county, and city income taxes which added up to 53% of his pay. Tell me that if you don't even get 50% of what you make it is anywhere close to fair. I agree with your premise that taxes of 50% are not fair. Having said that, I would tell you that we are at historically low tax rates. In the 60's, earned income was taxed at 50% and investment income was taxed at 70%. During Vietnam, the rate increased to 77%. Remember WW2. The maximum tax rate was 94%. |
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« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2013, 09:54:32 am » |
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The biggest problem when discussing the constitution is that it is over 200 years old and vague enough that it can be reinterpreted and spun to aid personal agenda. Obama and his "cronies" democrat and republican alike are what many would consider domestic terrorist. This country is falling apart while they continue to line their pockets. The only way to remedy the situation is for congress to be completely free of personal agenda but that will never happen as long as the people in power put themselves before the public and the public is too lazy/scared to take back what is theirs. The world we live in is too corrupt.
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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2013, 09:57:59 am » |
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The biggest problem when discussing the constitution is that it is over 200 years old and vague enough that it can be reinterpreted and spun to aid personal agenda. Obama and his "cronies" democrat and republican alike are what many would consider domestic terrorist. This country is falling apart while they continue to line their pockets. The only way to remedy the situation is for congress to be completely free of personal agenda but that will never happen as long as the people in power put themselves before the public and the public is too lazy/scared to take back what is theirs. The world we live in is too corrupt.
back in 1963...John F. Kennedy said...ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU...BUT ASK WHAT CAN I DO FOR MY COUNTRY... |
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« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2013, 10:00:31 am » |
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The biggest problem when discussing the constitution is that it is over 200 years old and vague enough that it can be reinterpreted and spun to aid personal agenda. Obama and his "cronies" democrat and republican alike are what many would consider domestic terrorist. This country is falling apart while they continue to line their pockets. The only way to remedy the situation is for congress to be completely free of personal agenda but that will never happen as long as the people in power put themselves before the public and the public is too lazy/scared to take back what is theirs. The world we live in is too corrupt.
100% true Well rueben, only thing i/ can do for this country is to do as josh said and take back control of the government. The gov derives their power from the people, not from with in the gov its self. |
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« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2013, 10:12:57 am » |
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the thing that needs to happen is that we must do what is right for the country and all its people and not just a few...the few that can make the biggest difference would rather sell out their own (our) country just to line their pockets...
We need to set up a new type of system that is set up in a way that self improves through incentives...one incentive would be that all politicians get the same retirement as the average American...after that it is pay for performance and a jury type board is picked to decide their performance...what is right for our country might not be what is best for us right now but right for the future and the survival of our great country as we know it...
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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2013, 10:22:16 am » |
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Very well said reuben. The problem is. How do we get crooks out with using force? They r not simply gonna give up the seats n walk out bc we ask. They will laugh at us all the way to bank to cash in our hard earned and stolen money
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2013, 10:38:43 am » |
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It's going to take 1 of 2 things. Ideally a large united group of honest, well funded and well educated Americans who are backed by the public and willing to fight and push in a completely legal fashion for the rights of the country. As Reuben said it may not be in the best immediate interest of the people but rather in the best long term interest of the country. However, the people must first be able to accept this and make that personal sacrifice. It's a long shot. If all else fails a civil war may not be a terrible option...
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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2013, 11:23:55 am » |
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If all else fails a civil war may not be a terrible option...
Taking on the U.S. military didn't turn out well the last time. Today, there is such a huge disparity between the skills and armaments of the military vs. the citizens it would not be much of a contest. What offends you about Congress is in fact legal. The change has to come from public pressure which is not likely to amount to much. |
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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2013, 11:42:59 am » |
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Taking on the U.S. military didn't turn out well the last time. Today, there is such a huge disparity between the skills and armaments of the military vs. the citizens it would not be much of a contest.
What offends you about Congress is in fact legal. The change has to come from public pressure which is not likely to amount to much.
I never said it was a good option but an option none the less. I am well aware of the "skills and armaments" of the U.S. military being a veteran myself and having run sigint support for numerous special operations. You are correct in the fact that the changes brought about have been through legal means and methods but as I stated before it is easy to twist the law to aid personal agenda. I don't believe the choices being made are in the best interest of the people or the country but rather in the best interest of corrupt individuals. The people need to come together and beat them at their own game. If this can be accomplished peacefully then that would be an amazing feat by the people and for the people but it may take a more radical event to open the eyes of the people and unite a country. |
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2013, 11:53:21 am » |
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I don't believe the choices being made are in the best interest of the people or the country but rather in the best interest of corrupt individuals. I agree. The people need to come together and beat them at their own game. If this can be accomplished peacefully then that would be an amazing feat by the people and for the people but it may take a more radical event to open the eyes of the people and unite a country.
I think the first is the only viable method. It is slow and difficult. It is harder to control, especially with special interest money in the equation. The latter method I think is unwise and has a next to zero chance of success. |
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