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« on: January 26, 2013, 06:05:57 pm » |
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Need advice about this line of dogs.... I purchased this female pup in march 2012 straight from randy wright, she was born 2012JAN10. She was baying and catching small hogs at 10 weeks, she is mean as a rattlesnake!!! I have had her on several hogs in the woods with my older dogs. She does not hunt consistent at all. One hunt she will hunt out 300 yds as soon as she hits the ground and other hunts she walk behind me the entire hunt. She will go to a bay and be caught when we get there but I did not pay $750 plus $300 to have her shipped to me in Florida for a "HELP" dog!!!! She has been on enough hogs tomknownhow to hunt and what she is doing and why we are in the woods. She just started sticking armadillos which shows that sheik mows how to use her nose because she will stile on one and trail it a couple hundred yards till she catches it or finds it hole. I am use to hunting with good ole fl cur cow/hog dogs that start striking their own hogs at a very early age! Are all of these dogs like this if so why? And the people that hunt this line of dogs what type of hunting do y'all do and how do your dogs work? I strictly walk hunt with short/medium range dogs so the 300 yd hunting is good with me I just don't understand the inconsistency? I know she is young but for the amount of hunts and hogs she has been on she should be doing more I believe... Any input would be greatly appreciated!  |
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txsteve85
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 06:28:10 pm » |
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How she bred? Have you done any jump out races or drags with her? They might help..
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hogdogger98
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 06:29:56 pm » |
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I don't know this first hand but I have been told by people that have gotten dogs from Randy that he breeds papers to papers not proven dogs to proven dogs. I was told it was all about the money. Again this is here say. Good luck may be she will turn around for you
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charles
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 06:38:03 pm » |
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Thats a typical type of dog strait from his yard. Iv had the same problem, but she should get better if fed enough hogs. Iv got 2 n had 3 that would burn 1 day n hang back the nxt. Some folks on here hav them dogs n are proven dogs. Its a crap shoot with any breed or line of animals. Iv heard that thrown an out cross helps the nxt gen and then so forth on down. Talk airduster29 or anthonyb, they both have dealings on this line n hav proven dogs from that line. Roll the dice n hope for the best.
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Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can!
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Circle S kennels
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2013, 06:46:18 pm » |
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I have all the percentages of all the dogs he told me but I don't know chit about what that garbage is? Her parents are wrights western gunslinger and wrights bounty reva... 43.9203125% Ben 36x, 25% wrights western pistolero, 18.75% wrights bounty hunter and 12.5% conns randy. Txsteve85 if you know what all that verbiage means maybe you could tell me? I had always heard a lot about the dogs and decided to buy one but I am not impressed thus far, and I have not sent her straight in to a hog because I don't want a sight hunt dog, the woods we hunt are thick as all get out...and I'm not just talking little thickets here and there, I'm talking entire properties of wax mertiles, palmettos over you head or thick cypress swamps. So I try to train to get out and beat the bushes type of hunting. Totally different from texas and that may be the problem but idk? I have not done drags but I have sent hogs into a small piece of property and given them 5-10 minutes to get away and then cut her out and I have basically had to walk her right up to the hog before she would do anything. She was young when I did that though, the rest of the time it has been in the woods for her
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bigo
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2013, 06:55:22 pm » |
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I don't care how they are bred, who breeds them, or where they are from, you are going to get some culls. Thats why, in my opinion, its ridiculas to give that much for a puppy. If you send it back, you'll have 600 in just shipping, not counting your time and trouble. I would give her 6 months then cull her if she dosn't measure up and chalk it up to experience.They can't all be sorry or Mr. Wright would soon run out of people to sell to.
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If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principle difference between a dog and a man.
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Reuben
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2013, 07:03:00 pm » |
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I tried a few a long time ago and the ones I tried didn't turn out...but they had some good papers on them. Luckily I didn't have to pay for them...the type of terrain you are talking about you probably need a dog from a long line of proven hog hunting dogs...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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Circle S kennels
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2013, 07:07:48 pm » |
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I have my own line of cur dogs and a few from some local cowboys here in Florida so I am good on the dogs I need as they all find hogs for me... I guess I just had a stupid idea of buying the dog from what I am hearing I just wanted to try one but I guess I really just wanted to throw away a grand
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charles
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2013, 07:12:18 pm » |
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If she is that bad, i would request a refund n be done with it.
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Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can!
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txsteve85
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2013, 07:39:55 pm » |
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I don't know or do percentages...I was just wondering I know most of that stock is rough..
I'd spend couple bucks on .22 lead and wipe my hands clean.
I see your from Florida, guy with screen name Stacy on here just got some good bmc's from Texas shipped to him . I don't remember what part of Florida but you should shoot him a PM.
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hogrunner
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2013, 07:41:15 pm » |
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Not an expert but not very many dogs are even close to being mature enough to cull at 1 yr old. I have a son of off Rathke's Reno, grandson of Ben and my yard all comes from him and I only hunt on Saturdays, which may take longer to finish the dog. It takes 2-3 yrs before the dogs usually get the confidence to get out on their own and hunt. Some start early and most don't. I learned the hard way and gave up on dogs at 1.5 yrs old and made somebody else a good dog. I raised them and they got the benefit.. I had a friend get one of my pups off Cowboy and he gave up at 1 yr old and now she is finding hogs in Flordia and the guy loves her. Give her some time...
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redline
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2013, 08:11:22 pm » |
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Would you sell the dog?
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Circle S kennels
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2013, 08:32:19 pm » |
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Redline I would if I could get at least my $750 back from the original purchase... But I would want to make sure you knew exactly what you were getting and if you were close to me would like to show her in the woulda so that there would be no issues later on, and would like know that you have worked that line of dogs as you may know a trick or two to get her going. Charles I did call randy and asked for a refund but he refused to do so, he said get another pup or nothing...i can only assume he is having a hard time selling puppies right now, just my opinion. So I settled for trying another pup. I specifically asked if I would have to pay anything for the swap as I was already into the dog $950 and refused to pay any more. Randy told me absolutely not and that the shipping would be taken care of...as that was part of the guarantee. So I set up a ship with redwing hound haulers and they told me a date that they would meet me. Well that date changed three different times and. Lost three days of work but that's a whole different story don't have time for that one. Finally shipping company gets here and they want $350 for the shipping??? I told them they needed to call randy because he was taking care of that part as he had already told me that. Well it boiled down to randy refusing to pay for the shipping so the little pup went on back to texas.
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hogdogger98
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2013, 08:41:40 pm » |
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Wow Randy sounds like a piece of work!!
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charles
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2013, 08:45:50 pm » |
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Circle s, thats what randy did with me too, except the shipping, i would hav to pay that. It seems he dooped you too under false pretence. I was lucky to be able to sell my dog for workn cattle n the new owner called n giv me an update that the dog is turning out excelent for his usage. Atleast u only paid 1/2 what i paid n we both got bent over. Hogdogger, he is a piece of work n a bit more on the poo side of things.
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Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can!
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2013, 08:54:04 pm » |
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I wish I would have found this site a long time ago and asked around before I purchased her... Lesson learned!! Thanks guys!
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Reuben
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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2013, 09:00:14 pm » |
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she might excell on cows or...
maybe blood tracking or search and rescue???
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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JoshStokley
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2013, 11:29:25 pm » |
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I don't care how they are bred, who breeds them, or where they are from, you are going to get some culls...give her 6 months then cull her if she dosn't measure up and chalk it up to experience.
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Bottom is the determination to finish a task at all cost, even his life.
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YELLOWBLACKMASK
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2013, 12:23:54 am » |
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Might be better next time to pay a lil more and get a guarantee for you guarantee.  |
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Randy_P
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2013, 09:30:04 am » |
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Circle s, thats what randy did with me too, except the shipping, i would hav to pay that. It seems he dooped you too under false pretence. I was lucky to be able to sell my dog for workn cattle n the new owner called n giv me an update that the dog is turning out excelent for his usage. Atleast u only paid 1/2 what i paid n we both got bent over. Hogdogger, he is a piece of work n a bit more on the poo side of things.
There is another man down that way that will do you the same way. Been there done that. |
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