Randy wrights curs

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Just to make sure my math is correct....your currently at $1400 for cost of original pup and shipping both ways? Possibly shipping of new pup back to you also? 

Not trying to stir the fire...I know you are very frustrated. Just did the talley and it blew me away if correct. 

[TexasHogDogs]

At a year ole a dog is still in the baby stage.  Also it depends a lot on how the dog is bred some tighter bred dogs will not turn on and do as good as cross dogs at a young age.  Its crazy as hell to cull a year old dog being bred like that .  People that do those kinds of things shows their inexperince big time  .  Give the dog some time.  If it dont work out it just dont work out nobody makes nobody buy a dog .  The way I see it when you hand him the cash the ordeal is over right then and there so people need to make damn sure that is what they want .  Good luck with your dog bet she just needs to mature out and get some age on her . 

[Big Joe]

Give the dog a lil more time.

[Circle S kennels]

Yellowblackmas I am only in the female $950 including the original shipping. When the new pup was delivered here to Florida they tried getting me to pay $350 for the shipping on it, I was told by randy himself that he would be taking care of the shipping cost....that was a lie so the pup got delivered back to him and I hope that he eats that shipping fee for the little guy traveling around the entire United States!

Texashogdogs, I am by far an inexperienced dog man! As I stated in my previous post I am in Florida and have been around the original cracker curs for the past 25 years. Don't forget Florida was the first to have cows and the first to have cur dogs..... The dogs I have and my family have along with good friends that work cattle and hogs have outstanding dogs. We ain't got papers on nothing, and our dogs are working finding their own by 6-7 months old. Not bragging just don't want to be labeled as an inexperienced dog man! I have never tried anything other than our own chit and it appears it was a mistake to do so. I understand the dog is young and I plan on continuing to work her in hopes that she will figure it out I was simply asking the folks that run this line to give some insight on the line.

I was told by the man who started the line of dogs nothing but what someone would want out of any cattle hog dog, hunt all day hunt for miles until they find what they are after so on and so forth, we'll my experience with the gyp I have has been anything but that.

[Reuben]

If I really liked that type of dog I would do this...My thinking is that she isn't what I really want but I would be looking past her...I would find out about her sire and dam as well as the grand sire and grand dam...If I liked them then I would breed her once to one of your best florida curs in your area...Then I would move her and look for the best pups out of her litter...I would not breed her more than once because I would not use her as the main dog to line breed off of...save that for one of her pups or grand pups...

sometimes we buy a pup from a kennel that advertises quite a bit and has been around for some time and they have registered pups and charge an arm and a leg for them...and the whole time and old man down the road will sell you a pup for 50 bucks or will give you a pup that will be a better dog...I been down that road more than once and got burned...and now I try to breed my own...just works better for me that way...

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

hunt all day hunt for miles until they find what they are after so on and so forth, we'll my experience with the gyp I have has been anything but that.

Wouldn't make a comment at all except for the fact I have tried several throughout the years.
Love a Yeller no doubt but have never witnessed any of the above traits in them. I have witnessed small framed, skittish,  extremely unstable baying fluctuations and ZERO nose.

They typically come as perty as they can be. So they continue to keep my attention looking for a select cross that does hold these desired traits.  

Not taking sides or starting any arguments ....I respect the different hunting and training aspects of all.........but for discussion purposes only...... I stand completely at the other end of the dinner table from the late bloomer aspect.

A two year old dog still having a question mark is not a question I answer.  A year and lil bit of change and the dog isn't impressing ..........no problem with letting them impress someone else on their dime.......or lead nickels.

Probably my inexperience bleeding through.. but never atested to begging one to do their job! And dang sure dont wanna pay quad ooodle dooodle with a guarantee to find that out.  
 Hope it works out for ya brotha.  Sounds like a very expensive lesson learned.

[Reuben]

Myles...I second the motion on the late bloomers...I want to see a progression from 12 weeks on up...8 months old and it should be hunting with the big dogs and sticking pretty good...late bloomers begets more late bloomers...then what if at 3 years it didn't turn out...three years wasted and said dog took up some valuable space...and ate lots of dog food...early starters produce early starters...

I cut loose a nice looking larger type mtn cur pup at 10 months who was out of some good dogs...cut him because he didn't meet my expectations at that age...He bayed good and was smart but...Jesse Paul took him and tried him for several months and cut him loose as well...

once I like a pup he or she gets a name and some preferred treatment... 

[charles]

 myles u took the words outa my mouth.
i also agree with reuben, breed her once to c whatcha get and then if still nothing from the cross out, use the lead nickel. some of them dogs work n some dont and it aint got crap to do with experience in training or raising dogs, sry jimmy i just dont agree with u on this topic.
 i myself am inexperienced, there is a lot of talk bout culls from that line n then there is a lot of talk on how great they do. as an owner of this line iv gotten rid of a couple and got a couple that i think will do the job, atleast to my satisfaction.
 its a toss up on a dog turning on no matter the experience of the owner. like on this similar topic before, some dogs have it, some dont and its not just the wrights line, but any line.
 anybody who says EVERY dog/pup from EVERY litter they have bred n raised is the best and will go go go and go some more and have tons of hunt n bottom is a full of poop, it just aint that way no matter what.

[kerreydw]

so what im getting out of it shes a year old and shes not what you want.there are lots of dogs that dont give there full potential until they are around two years of age. i wouldnt give up on her just yet keep hunting her give her more time shes still a baby. seen lots of good bread dogs that people gave lots of money for sold for a fraction of the original price. seen some dogs at 1 year that were not worth 50dollars but by the time they are 2years old you couldnt by the same dog for 2500.give her some time to mature...........

[TexasHogDogs]

Just because a man has experience with one bloodline of dogs in a certain breed don't mean he has any experience with the next bloodline are breed  .  All bloodlines are different in its on way and it goes the same for different breeds  .  Some bloodlines may turn out to find hogs at 10 months old then some bloodlines may not mature till later on like two three some four and five yrs of age.  Some may be finding hogs at 10 months old and burning the woods down only to fizzle at 2 yrs old and never do much after that .  Some bloodlines may not find hogs and make any kind of dog till they are two three years old only to get better and better as the years goes on and be great dogs .  So experience in one bloodline don't make anybody a expert are experience in another bloodline and thats with the same breed of dog and it don't have to be a entirely a different breed of dog it could be the same breed but of different bloodlines.   Names on paper don't mean Jack and the paper don't make the dogs the dogs make the paper until then you can wipe your butt with the golden papers .

[txsteve85]

I don't patience for dogs that are late bloomers...
I want dogs that want it on their own...
I expect them to be burning up the woods by year old not striking hogs left and right but making strides everytime we hunt..
High standards...maybe but Im not gonna listen to my wife bitch at me everyday for some okay dogs.

[AnthonyB]

Any time you buy a pup you are taking a risk wether it is guaranteed or not. All the pups I bred are replacement guaranteed if they don't work, and I have had a couple come back on that, so to say that any line will never produce a cull is a little far fetched, and working expectations are different for every person. The other thing you have to do is your research on what lines preform the way you want. I know what my crosses do, and what the majority of pups are going to start out as when they age, but that comes only after working and proving my dogs and crosses over time, which doesn't make me a dog expert by any means. To be able to look at a cross without knowing what the parents, grandparents, and so on do, it's pretty hard to say what the pup is going to do. I think one of the things that someone looking to buy a pup also needs to do is not spend more money than you are willing to lose if things don't work out the way you wanted them to. A year old is a little young to be thinking she is what she is going to be, I've seen them mature out anywhere from a year to almost three, but personally I give them till around a year and a half. If their development has stalled I will cut them at that point, and cut them even sooner as far as starting to work goes. Not sure what happened with your and Randy's deal, I have never had that experience with him, but also haven't spoken to him or bought a pup in quite a while. I hope everything works out for you.
Anthony

[t.wilbanks]

Some bloodlines may turn out to find hogs at 10 months old then some bloodlines may not mature till later on like two three some four and five yrs of age. 

Man I sure hope there ain't nobody out there tryin to get started with some 5 year bloomers!!!!   

A lot of wasted time IMO....

[hillbilly]

If you have raised any kind of hunting dogs you know from the time you start them up to about 12 months to 18 months old which pups are going to more than likely turn out for you. I have a 2 year old gyp now that I should have done culled but all I hear is that breed of dogs is late starters. She has untill spring to show more potential.

I do agree with the comments on breeding her and picking the pups you like and then cull her.

If you have been raising dogs for as long as you say you know whether the dog is gonna fit you or not.

[mike rogers]

I wouldn't breed her until she was proven. I really wouldn't breed her at all if she was a 2,3 or 4 year old late bloomer and I mean at all. Who would ?  Why take that chance of passing those types of genes to their litter. No matter how good the male dog is,  it might take you a year and half just to see what you got. And you might be in the same place you started when you bred her. I sure wouldn't feed a pack of yard dogs for 3 years before I could hunt them. You should be breeding to improve your stock.  JMO

[Hamilton_hogger]

I have a gyp that is 1/2 Randy Wright and 1/2 kemmer. She is bad to the bone ...and was free.

[justincorbell]

Just because a man has experience with one bloodline of dogs in a certain breed don't mean he has any experience with the next bloodline are breed  .  All bloodlines are different in its on way and it goes the same for different breeds  .  Some bloodlines may turn out to find hogs at 10 months old then some bloodlines may not mature till later on like two three some four and five yrs of age.  Some may be finding hogs at 10 months old and burning the woods down only to fizzle at 2 yrs old and never do much after that .  Some bloodlines may not find hogs and make any kind of dog till they are two three years old only to get better and better as the years goes on and be great dogs .  So experience in one bloodline don't make anybody a expert are experience in another bloodline and thats with the same breed of dog and it don't have to be a entirely a different breed of dog it could be the same breed but of different bloodlines.   Names on paper don't mean Jack and the paper don't make the dogs the dogs make the paper until then you can wipe your butt with the golden papers .

While I do agree with your reasoning and obvious knowledge of what you are talking about, I have to state that if a dog isn't hunting and maturing until 3 or more years old then it is a no good around here. There are WAY to many lines of dogs that progress and hunt by 1-1 1/2 years of age to deal with dogs that you have to wait 3-5yrs on, just my opinion.

[yelladog0300]

I don't know this first hand but I have been told by people that have gotten dogs from Randy that he breeds papers to papers not proven dogs to proven dogs. I was told it was all about the money. Again this is here say. Good luck may be she will turn around for you

X2!!!

[sanantoniodogger]

i have two that are jam up and i know kid7 has a gyp thats about as nice as they come

[TexasHogDogs]

Just because a man has experience with one bloodline of dogs in a certain breed don't mean he has any experience with the next bloodline are breed  .  All bloodlines are different in its on way and it goes the same for different breeds  .  Some bloodlines may turn out to find hogs at 10 months old then some bloodlines may not mature till later on like two three some four and five yrs of age.  Some may be finding hogs at 10 months old and burning the woods down only to fizzle at 2 yrs old and never do much after that .  Some bloodlines may not find hogs and make any kind of dog till they are two three years old only to get better and better as the years goes on and be great dogs .  So experience in one bloodline don't make anybody a expert are experience in another bloodline and thats with the same breed of dog and it don't have to be a entirely a different breed of dog it could be the same breed but of different bloodlines.   Names on paper don't mean Jack and the paper don't make the dogs the dogs make the paper until then you can wipe your butt with the golden papers .

While I do agree with your reasoning and obvious knowledge of what you are talking about, I have to state that if a dog isn't hunting and maturing until 3 or more years old then it is a no good around here. There are WAY to many lines of dogs that progress and hunt by 1-1 1/2 years of age to deal with dogs that you have to wait 3-5yrs on, just my opinion.

I agree man 100%  .  I like my dogs doing well by 20 months then by 30 making a real dog.  From 30 on they should be great hog dogs improving till their life is over.  I dont agree with anyone that culls a year old dog but thats just me .  If a dog is not making no progress by two then am pretty sure he is gonna go on the chopping block around here he may get some more time if he is showing intrest till around 30 months but you can tell if it has not clicked in him are he is just assing around showing no intrest he is pretty much gone.  Its a judgement call .  Been many many a great dog culled early in life .   I dont like late bloomers myself but sometimes the best comes to those who can wait .  Its not so bad on me around here the waiting because I have dogs that I have hunted for years and all know the ropes and are finished type of dogs and got new age groups coming up every year that I breed for myself to keep the young dogs rolling and coming as they come and go  but for someone that dont have that and needs a dog now I can understand not wanting to wait but if this is the case a pup is not for you go out and buy yourself a good started young dog then you are way ahead and the pups and young unstarted dogs get a fair shake .