Randy wrights curs

[Bryant]

I personally disagree with those who say breed the dog and see what you get.  Seems like if you've been hunting and raising a line of dogs for sometime, perhaps you bought the dog as a potential outcross to the line you have.

I just went through the same thing over the past two years.  I made three outcross breedings to evaluate the crosses.  One litter was all I had hoped for, and I have one pup from that litter that is making as good of a dog as I've ever hunted for his age.  Second cross was to a VERY nice male that was said to have produced some good dogs and been a very prepotent male.  This litter was the biggest dissappoinment of all.  I got everything from a really nice male pup, to a couple females who at a year and a half old won't bark at a hog.  I don't care how good this male pup ends up, I won't breed that cross back into my like because of the overall result of the litter.  

You have to keep in mind when outcrossing that you're breeding everything bad in that line of dogs as well as everything good.  For me, the bad outweighed.

Perhaps you keep that female and in another year she turns out to be a pretty decent dog.  Is slow maturity something your willing to breed in?  If it were me, I'd keep looking.

When breeding, people sometimes have a problem looking beyond the dog in front of them.  Lineage is where the decisions should be made.


Oh...and for what it's worth, I raised three foundation bred dogs.  First one was a male and was a pretty nice dog if you could get past his slight male aggression and catchiness.  Second decent at best, and the third was a double bred Bounty Hunter female that was probably one of the worst dogs I've thrown feed to.

[Circle S kennels]

well i appreciate all of the mixed opinions..... it seems like the guys that have/had the dogs seem say that the dogs arent all that they are cracked up to be, maybe minus a select few who have got lucky with one or two. all the other people that have posted on here that have not directly said they have/had one just seem to be puting me on trial? i simply wanted advice and opinions from individuals that have/had dogs straight from randy rights yard... to those that put thier input in, thanks. i didnt buy the dog for an out cross to my line as i would not put any papered dogs into it, as it does seem that no matter what breed or line weather it be curs, pits or beagles papered dogs seem to be bred papers to papers as was said in a previous post. our dogs are breed by working abilities... best to the best, when all possible. for those that are real true hog hunters and that catch hogs more than not know that the average life span of a true "HOG" dog is maybe 5 years old so to say work a dog till then to see if it turns on is absolutley stupid. i have been at this game for a very long time as did my parents, grandparents and great grandparents. i am not an expert by no means and still learn stuff from the dogs i have now on a daily basis but i am by no means an inexperienced dog man.

i believe i got all the advice and opinions that i need for now, i plan on working her for another six to eight months so if she dont work out by then i will post another thread about the dog and get opinions on how many years i should continue feeding her after determining she is a cull before i should dispatch her

[dodgegirl]

Most of my dogs live past 5 years.. what part of Florida do you live in ?

[Circle S kennels]

north central on the gulf coast... crystal river to be exact

[chads7376]

Not an expert but not very many dogs are even close to being mature enough to cull at 1 yr old.  I have a son of off Rathke's Reno, grandson of Ben and my yard all comes from him and I only hunt on Saturdays, which may take longer to finish the dog.  It takes 2-3 yrs before the dogs usually get the confidence to get out on their own and hunt.  Some start early and most don't.  I learned the hard way and gave up on dogs at 1.5 yrs old and made somebody else a good dog.  I raised them and they got the benefit..  I had a friend get one of my pups off Cowboy and he gave up at 1 yr old and now she is finding hogs in Flordia and the guy loves her.  Give her some time...

WOW!  Two to three years. Have fun with that...

[Bryant]

i didnt buy the dog for an out cross to my line as i would not put any papered dogs into it, as it does seem that no matter what breed or line weather it be curs, pits or beagles papered dogs seem to be bred papers to papers as was said in a previous post.

Sounds like you answered your own questions right there.  It sounds as though your pretty content with what you're already raising.  If not for an outcross, may I ask why you bought the dog in the first place then?  You spent a bunch of money, so something about the purchase had some potential value to you.

[jagdtank]

I think it very important to hunt with dogs you like. If a dog irritates you I would get rid of it doesn't really matter why you dont like it.It's a very senseless frustrating cycle,trying to get the best dog in the country.I think the thing to do is start with the best genetics you can get your hands on.(no point in handicapping yourself by buying unproven lines)Or afford. Again it is not what dog hunting is about, to spend thousands on overpriced dogs. so get the best you can afford. Make sure you like the dogs you hunt. To me thats most important.Not them being the best dog out there just that we get the job done and work like a pack with me the alpha. I would love to have the best dogs but to much focus on that, Screws up the whole thing in my opinion.I enjoy hunting my dogs period.I don't live vicariously through me dogs. how much i payed for a dog neither adds nor subtracts from who i am.You get hogs with a 2500.00 dollar dog. Guess what? I get hogs with mine as well and I love every dog I hunt. they arent the best but we are a team and mostly learned to hunt hogs together.I enjoy hunting as much as anyone out there.If you don't like the dog it will never do what you want it to. If it had potential you likley wouldn't notice. Dogs have personality's the proper mixture of males and females can effect them. along with your attitude toward them or another dogs attitude toward them. I've noticed dogs not accepting a dog on a track. I had two dogs that always hunted together. I put another female in and it busted them up and she don't hunt as good now.dogs get peer pressured bullied and befriended by other pack members. I may not be articulating my point well but the point is If the dog don't fit you or your team it likley never will regardless of age or experience. It's senseless to spend a fortune on a dog never hunted unless you are buying it's genetics for breeding purposes. I have learned alot from the jagd terrier forum. they fight constantly but there is a reason you dont hear very many buying a jagd terrier that wont get out and hunt or is half hearted.they have been natural instinct tested as pups generation after generation.In europe they don't breed any that havent been certified to have all the genetic traits a jagd terrier is supposed to have. I'de like to get a bmc breeders club started that did  just that. It would in a few years clean up all this hit and miss stuff. It's taken to much work on the part of the dog men of the past to transform the grey wolf into modern working dogs to let it get screwed up by paper breeding for money.sorry I didn't mean to hijack your thread. If it where me and I was stuck with the dog. I wouldnt cull it yet. I would take the dog where i knew hogs were and let it find some pigs by itself no dogs around and make it easy.one on one no mistaking what you want it to do. My best dog was started that way and he hunts regardless of what dogs are around my feet. It just dont matter he knows what i expect of him and he does it no matter what.I think every potential strike dog should have some time hunting by itself. I know two different hog hunter that hunt nothing but other peoples culls and get the job done great! They watch their dogs and take time to bond with them and are real good handlers that take what they can get and develope it to its full potential instead of  trying to pay their way forward.

[Reuben]

there has been lots of good input here on this thread...you bought this high dollar pup for a reason...I will stick to what I said earlier about her...just because she does not turn out does not mean that she doesn't bring value to your needs...You can send her back and continue to spend more money and the possibility of the next pup being a cull is still there and this will push everything back at least 2 or 3 years and possibly more...So what was the reason for buying this pup in the first place when you have a good line of dogs? I would not hesitate to breed her if that was part of the original plan...Just know there might be a few extra culls in the litter...

Another option is to breed her to one of Randy Wrights best stud dogs and now you have the potential to have more than a few good dogs with registration papers...he should cut you a good deal because of the circumstance...I know I would...

[Reuben]

I have a gyp that is 1/2 Randy Wright and 1/2 kemmer. She is bad to the bone ...and was free.

the very best dog I ever owned was BMC and mt. cur cross also...

Circle S...it was getting a little boring on here and you kinda livened it up some with this thread... 

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

X2 Ruben. 

Never seems to be boring posts when talking about another completely satisfied WB customer. 

[coach]

If you have hunted long enough you see all types of hunting dogs come and go like the make and model of vehicles. What I have noticed is that everything is on a pendulum and will go out for a while but will come back into style. Mostly these dogs get bred to make more $ than better hunting dogs and everyone just wants to cash in. It goes on till most dogs are just bred out and become horrible at what their intentions were. Let's look back at some hounds, lacy, jags, dogo's and now it looks like eventually it will happen to some BMC's. All for a couple of greenbacks. Hopefully as hog hunters if it's on your shoulders you do the right thing and breed good to good rather than paper to paper. Cull hard my friends.

[hogrunner]

Not an expert but not very many dogs are even close to being mature enough to cull at 1 yr old.  I have a son of off Rathke's Reno, grandson of Ben and my yard all comes from him and I only hunt on Saturdays, which may take longer to finish the dog.  It takes 2-3 yrs before the dogs usually get the confidence to get out on their own and hunt.  Some start early and most don't.  I learned the hard way and gave up on dogs at 1.5 yrs old and made somebody else a good dog.  I raised them and they got the benefit..  I had a friend get one of my pups off Cowboy and he gave up at 1 yr old and now she is finding hogs in Flordia and the guy loves her.  Give her some time...

What I am saying Chads, is I have seen many dogs get culled too early.  Any dog man would say that there are few dogs finished at 1-2 years old.  They simply don't have all the puppy out yet.  The 2-3 mark is when the dog gets seasoned so to speak.  I will agree that if hunted often (3-4) times per week seasoning would probably come sooner...

WOW!  Two to three years. Have fun with that...

[Rick B]

Circle S I am not trying to stir the pot but did you receive and or read the FBMCBO guarantee? I hate to see some one get screwed out of there hard earned money. 

[charles]

I guess if a person dont have that warrenty letter in hand, then the word of that reputable dog peddler dont mean crap.

[Circle S kennels]

That would have been nice to have knowledge of when I was dealing with randy but at this point I could give two number 2s if I ever talked to the man again...matter of fact I won't. I'm gunna work this one for a little while longer and if she don't work I will dispatch her and be done with the WB bloodline and stick to my own

[T-Bob Parker]

That would have been nice to have knowledge of when I was dealing with randy but at this point I could give two number 2s if I ever talked to the man again...matter of fact I won't. I'm gunna work this one for a little while longer and if she don't work I will dispatch her and be done with the WB bloodline and stick to my own

It's only my opinion, which don't mean much, but, I think your on the right track now. When someone produces between 150-300 pups a year at between $700 and 1500 per pup, they are sure to make a nice one every so often, but the majority will be exactly as youd expect an assembly line dog store pup to be like. Sorry you got screwed, but from what I've seen of WB dogs, it happens more often than not.

Dig a hole and cut your losses.

That being said, I'll say the few decent registered dogs I've seen, came several generations removed from the puppy mills, bred by hunters for what they wanted and they had to cull thru lots of pups

[AnthonyB]

Dang, 150-300 pups a year. That's a lot of pups, who breeds that many??
Anthony

[T-Bob Parker]

Dang, 150-300 pups a year. That's a lot of pups, who breeds that many??
Anthony

Don't be naive. You exactly who breeds close to those numbers every year. They are the same folks who have threatened to sue over people voicing the truth.

[T-Bob Parker]

Dang, 150-300 pups a year. That's a lot of pups, who breeds that many??
Anthony

Don't be naive. You exactly who breeds close to those numbers every year. They are the same folks who have threatened to sue over people voicing the truth.

That came out a little rudely, I apologize.

Between the top two registered fellows, they breed that many at least per year, in my humble opinion, (based on my personal observations)

And all I meant to get at is that a hunter like yourself, who has those dogs
And has used them and found ones they like and breeds and dulls from there is a better bet to get a performance dog
From than the source of the registered dogs, who I don't believe do any real, worth while evaluations.

My apologies.

[AnthonyB]

No apology needed, I know this subject can get heated at time.

I personally haven't seen those numbers per year, but haven't kept track in a while either. And like you I think dogs should be bred for proven working ability.
Anthony