What Tournaments will allow Barrs this year?

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TDHA folks (BOD),

Why don't you guys print a survey card and require each team that registers for the tournament this year to express their opinion.  That way you get a 100% opinion from 100% of people who are actually competing.  That would get you some actual useful data for next years consideration.

I believe the data within the two polls conducted here to be pretty worthless if you ask me.  I'd be curious to know how many of the voters actually hunt the competitions, and also believe that there are a lot of hunters and competitors who don't necessarily do the internet / forum deal.

I believe they do this already....except this issue wasnt an issue last year. Good post....

The way I see it...the same general 5% or so is going to win regardless of the rules. With or without the barr rule...it is more or less the same people winning. ITs the pricipal of the situation now.

[B.Minchew]

It would seem whining is what it takes to get a rule changed. Someone whined enough to get barrs taken out. So most people take for granted if they complain enough eventually it will get changed back. Unless this decision is solely based on 5 peoples opinion that have no desire to hear the other side.

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In reference to my post....It might should start being considered to do something similar to coon hunts. Having a championship bracket.

The championship bracket being open and mandatory for past winners. (regulated by trail of tears) The best of the best competing against each other. This bracket will be small in entries but award the same. "Best of the Best"


And a registered bracket for more specific stringer. (ie..no barrs) The bracket will be the majority of entries but pay and award the same as the championship bracket.

I may be thinking too far into things but there is no way to please everyone but it puts things on a playing field where more people have opportunity to win. = more entries

IMO the best of the best is highest accomplishment. Thought for future tournamnets.

[matt_aggie04]

I liked when the tounaments raised money or meat to donate but I just don't understand what most people want out of a tournament today.  It used to just be a fun time where we all hunted together and we got to visit and cut up at the weigh in.  I am self admittedly not a super competitive person by nature but it seems like the desire to win has overshadowed the real purpose of what most of these tournaments originally started out as, ie fundraisers, memorial hunts etc.  I agree that any hog should be elidgible for entry so I guess that makes me pro barr for whatever thats worth.  I just hope those that feel strongly enough about the subject would refrain from hunting in the tournaments they dont agree with the rules on and see where that leaves the tournament the following year.  Starve em out and start your own, its the only way your going to be happy.

I like Rex's idea and I had a discussion the other day with a buddy about it but I realy like the way coon hunts are set up I just don't know how to translate that in to hog hunts. 

[txhogsanddogs]

I liked when the tounaments raised money or meat to donate but I just don't understand what most people want out of a tournament today.  It used to just be a fun time where we all hunted together and we got to visit and cut up at the weigh in.  I am self admittedly not a super competitive person by nature but it seems like the desire to win has overshadowed the real purpose of what most of these tournaments originally started out as, ie fundraisers, memorial hunts etc.  I agree that any hog should be elidgible for entry so I guess that makes me pro barr for whatever thats worth.  I just hope those that feel strongly enough about the subject would refrain from hunting in the tournaments they dont agree with the rules on and see where that leaves the tournament the following year.  Starve em out and start your own, its the only way your going to be happy.

I like Rex's idea and I had a discussion the other day with a buddy about it but I realy like the way coon hunts are set up I just don't know how to translate that in to hog hunts. 

You hit it on the head Matt, i love to compete but what allot of people don't know about me is i have a little money to throw down for a bet and always love a chanlenge but i lose with a smile and i am proud of my dogs Most of the time!   I also like talking crap to get those more competitive people out there worked up!! 

[Tejascatahoulas]

TDHA folks (BOD),

Why don't you guys print a survey card and require each team that registers for the tournament this year to express their opinion.  That way you get a 100% opinion from 100% of people who are actually competing.  That would get you some actual useful data for next years consideration.

I believe the data within the two polls conducted here to be pretty worthless if you ask me.  I'd be curious to know how many of the voters actually hunt the competitions, and also believe that there are a lot of hunters and competitors who don't necessarily do the internet / forum deal.

I like this idea!

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Matt, Rex good posts.

I worked on some ideas over the last couple of years for different formats for the TDHA hunt. Different "brackets" so to speak. Its a good idea but the man power needed to work on this has always been lacking. The TDHA hunt is planned and organized by a very very small number of people, we always need more help.

We have always got to think of things that the teams never have to worry about and might not understand why the rules are written as they are.

1. How many hogs can we handle, dead or alive. The last dead hog contest we had we were limited to no more than 300 hogs, and wrote the rules accordingly. Last year with live hogs we did not know, for sure, how many we could sell and what condition they would be in, and wrote the rules accordingly.

2. How can we maximize entries while hitting the hog number target that we need?

3. How can we continue to make the TDHA hunt the best of the best. The most respected ,as far as fare play, regarding the rules.

4. What hunt format brings in the most sponsors.

5. What hunt format brings in the most entries.

6. What rule changes are needed to stay ahead of the curve of teams trying to find a way to push the rules or find a loop hole. You can't imagine the phone calls I used to get regarding the rules and what was permitted and what would disqualify a team. Hours of discussion on what was or was not a "hog proof fence", "free range", "previously caught", "What is a helper", and every other detail of every single rule. So I have a pretty good grasp of where the teams were pushing the rules to the max.

The last thing that I would ever want to happen is for a high placing team to be thrown out because of a failed poly-graph. The rules are the rules, follow them what ever they are and have fun supporting a group that is fighting for your rights as dog hunters.

There is so much work involved in putting this contest on, most of you have no idea. And most of the time all the BOD gets for their trouble a bunch of grief on the message boards, LOL.

The barr question on the team survey is a good idea. Ya'll should realize that most hunters who are anti-barr are not going to post that in public on the ETHD board.

Thanks,
Paul T

[TShelly]

The barr question on the team survey is a good idea. Ya'll should realize that most hunters who are anti-barr are not going to post that in public on the ETHD board.

Thanks,
Paul T

I guess you are right on that. Y'all just send PM's making wild accusations that have absolutely zero merit and credibility; dragging good people's names through the mud. Trust me we know because we have read all the outrageous emails and PM's that have been sent on this issue. I honestly would have expected more from someone in your position

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

TShelly, I have sent 2 or three PM's to Chance on this issue. Other than this morning, the last one being on Dec 22.

Everything I said to him in private I have posted publicly as well.

I am not in a "position", I am a TDHA member and I am an adviser on this years hunt.

If you have a problem please call me personally 806 455 1297 after dark is best.

Thanks,
Paul T

[jhy]

I understand both sides of the argument, but this isn't going to go anywhere. Fact is you will never satisfy all competitors and I think that a lot of these teams, mine included, do not have the dog power to compete at such a high level and volume of hogs. I think we probably should either split it into two divisions say and "Open Class" for all who will turn in the numbers and allow Barrs and a " Restricted Class" that requires less hogs a stringer and doesn't allow Barrs. Me personally I go to hunt against the "Best" dog men and dogs that are around and contribute to a good cause. I give it my best each time to win and I often only barely place, but at least I know that I didn't lose to any cheaters, but superior dog power and good dog men.

Lets stay focused on how we can resolve this issue and not lose teams to rules that exclude them over something they have no control over.