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« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2013, 04:51:28 pm » |
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For any of you guys that like them short stroke dogs i got a deal for you.ill trade yall some goat bells for your dc collars.deal good through this month only.
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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2013, 05:59:37 pm » |
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I dont know were people get short range dogs will quit a hog in short order   ?? Just because a dog has a short hunting range does not mean he aint got big bottom to finish I have seen many a dogs like this . Hell we have struck bad hogs 100 yds out and ran the thing for miles before we ever got him .
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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2013, 06:12:35 pm » |
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I dont know were people get short range dogs will quit a hog in short order   ?? Just because a dog has a short hunting range does not mean he aint got big bottom to finish I have seen many a dogs like this . Hell we have struck bad hogs 100 yds out and ran the thing for miles before we ever got him . I like!
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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2013, 06:18:23 pm » |
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just the misconception of our youth lol
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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2013, 06:21:05 pm » |
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Well where we hunt we dnt get to ride around in pastures and clubs that nobody else gets to hunt in.im surely not going to wet nurse a dog and take him to a feeder are walk behind him until he finds a hog.most people in my opinion dnt even need a tracking systems becuse there dogs dnt have any bottom.then again most people have good places to go where hogs aint been mauled to death by counterfiet dogs.its the dog that time and time again puts the pork on the table thats really a hog dog.
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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2013, 06:44:47 pm » |
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Well where we hunt we dnt get to ride around in pastures and clubs that nobody else gets to hunt in.im surely not going to wet nurse a dog and take him to a feeder are walk behind him until he finds a hog.most people in my opinion dnt even need a tracking systems becuse there dogs dnt have any bottom.then again most people have good places to go where hogs aint been mauled to death by counterfiet dogs.its the dog that time and time again puts the pork on the table thats really a hog dog.
Well I can agree on counterfit dogs educating hogs and making track stars out of them no doubt . But There is a big big difference in a short range real hunting brush busting machine I'll takem all day long vs having to wet nurse a dog are take him to a feeder are walk behind him untill he finds a hog now thats a cull atleast to me it is . I myself wish we could ride around clubs and pastures that nobody else gets to hunt thats a pipe dream around here it aint happening I dont know about others . I do agree its the dog that puts pork on the table time and time again consistenly but there is a mistake in your thinking that just long range big bottom dogs are the only ones that do it time and time again . I have to disagree with that with respect .
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« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2013, 07:36:24 pm » |
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"Anything yours can do...mine can do better...mine can do anything....better than yours!" 
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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2013, 08:28:17 pm » |
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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2013, 10:03:43 pm » |
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If you boys will start running them catch dogs on the ground with your other dogs you would quit chasin hogs all over the country and catch em!! Lol 
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« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2013, 10:11:32 pm » |
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If you boys will start running them catch dogs on the ground with your other dogs you would quit chasin hogs all over the country and catch em!! Lol  Or just raise some better Cur dogs 
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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2013, 10:13:36 pm » |
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Pressure and hog population play a critical role along with dog owners ego make this a hard question to answer.
If I was leaving the woods empty handed after a hog lost my dogs more then a time or two I would question my choice of dogs.sometimes the hogs aren't there.
Race seems to be the term of the month. If the dog never bays how do you know they were running a hog ?
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« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2013, 12:08:38 am » |
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I can tell u why i like the long range type over the leg warmers and its this.i hate to turn a dog loose and think if that dog would of just covered more ground we proably would of got on something.i used to own dogs that hunted 2 to 3 hundred yards out and yes they had serious bottom on a hog once they got on one.but i started hunting with a guy that had go yonder type find dogs and his dogs would out find mine all day long.they would be bayed way over yonder somwhere and mine would still be hunting close to me.when i was younger i would of headed to them with my dogs but unless ive got a young dog with me i dnt do that anymore.diffrent strokes fer diffrent folks.i want to pull up cast and let the dog do all the work.my job is simple go to the bay mark em and release em or bring em to the house to eat.
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« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2013, 10:43:15 am » |
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I agree 110%.
If I am having to do all the work....kinda defeats the purpose of having a Hunting Dog. Lol
But also I recognize and respect other views on here mainly due to terrain differences I believe. I am not what you call a traveling hog hunter to speak of. The majority of my hog hunting experiences have all been knee deep in these piney wood thickets. I have dabbled a bit in more open county such as Oklahoma and a lil west of here. The main difference I noticed in the dogs was a dramatic INCREASE in range on the more open country. Which make since theoretically. But also I feel that this would probably hold true in the reversed aspect. And some of the known long range dogs that have been categorized as such in open county.....would possibly be classified as med to close range in rougher country.
This is just a thought looking out of a closed glass bottle. Others that have covered vast more hunting areas might be able to shed a more enlightened personal experience.
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« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2013, 11:04:10 am » |
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I guess....there's one thing I don't understand. I'm probably just missing something. Now...I'm more referring to the woods and creek bottoms...as opposed to open ground.....I'm also referring to walk hunting.
To me.....if your walking the bottoms...what's the difference in long range or short range? All things being equal (nose wise) the short to medium range dog will eventually hit the same track the long range dog does and Unless your long range dog strikes and drives the hog back to you....your still gonna cover the same amount of ground walking. So.......?
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« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2013, 11:15:58 am » |
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This topic will never be crystal clear, who is to say that my dogs can smell what your dogs are smelling, or vice versa. Too many variables in the dog world: nose, bottom, speed, experience, and just plain old "heart". Speaking for me and my crew, we never leave the truck unless we are walking to the bay.
I used to walk hunt until I went with some guys that had some dogs that would go, and I wasn't satisfied until I had some of my own. We are lucky because we have some big areas to hunt and have good relations with a bunch of the land owners. We pretty much have free run of these old woods.
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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2013, 12:52:04 pm » |
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I dont know were people get short range dogs will quit a hog in short order   ?? Just because a dog has a short hunting range does not mean he aint got big bottom to finish I have seen many a dogs like this . Hell we have struck bad hogs 100 yds out and ran the thing for miles before we ever got him . I agree... I've seen some good short range dogs hunt Jimmy. It's just not my kind of dog, nor what I am looking for. I don't think that all of em will leave a hog or track at there limit, but I don't want a short range dog that does leave a hog or track at 1000+ yards though. I want whatever dog it is that is on the ground hunting to stay with anything they see until it sits or outruns them. JMO though.
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« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2013, 04:01:14 pm » |
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I dont know were people get short range dogs will quit a hog in short order   ?? Just because a dog has a short hunting range does not mean he aint got big bottom to finish I have seen many a dogs like this . Hell we have struck bad hogs 100 yds out and ran the thing for miles before we ever got him . I agree... I've seen some good short range dogs hunt Jimmy. It's just not my kind of dog, nor what I am looking for. I don't think that all of em will leave a hog or track at there limit, but I don't want a short range dog that does leave a hog or track at 1000+ yards though. I want whatever dog it is that is on the ground hunting to stay with anything they see until it sits or outruns them. JMO though. Not trying to be argumentative...but what's the difference between a dog quiting a track at 1000 yards or getting outrun? When a hog leaves the dogs in his dust he's still leaving a track...scent. Quiting is quiting. No matter the circumstances.
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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2013, 04:34:48 pm » |
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Who said short range means they quit a track. Range is hunting distance, bottom is finishing! Jimmy said hunt short to him was out to 1000 yds that is long to many. I consider my dogs short to medium they tend to make circles from 300--900 hunting. But also have lots of bottom. Meaning they finish track, or stay hooked up.
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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2013, 05:32:41 pm » |
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Who said short range means they quit a track. Range is hunting distance, bottom is finishing! Jimmy said hunt short to him was out to 1000 yds that is long to many. I consider my dogs short to medium they tend to make circles from 300--900 hunting. But also have lots of bottom. Meaning they finish track, or stay hooked up.
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« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2013, 05:37:47 pm » |
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KevinN...some very good hog dogs with plenty of bottom get outran because the briars and palmettos are so thick they can't catch up to stop or catch the hog...the dogs just run until they over heat and have to give it up...but these dogs can make the race short if the woods is open and they will catch/stop the hog pretty quick...I am talking about gritty strike dogs with lots of bottom...
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