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« on: June 30, 2009, 07:05:31 pm »

1.  You can blame the hogs and claim they are super hogs, that are super smart and super fast and its only gonna get worse.  That is the most common scape goat that I hear, but probly the one that is in my opinion, the least of the causes.  Its like gost stories when we were kids, its fun to talk about the big bad hog that got away because he was a super hog.  Not so cool to say we just were'nt good enough and the regular ole' hog got away.  
2.  you can blame the increase in hunting pressure from all the new yahoos and thier sorry dogs, because they can't possibly have perfect dogs like me that never let a hog get away.  But the reality is we all let hogs get away to a varying degree. Even if you have super dogs that let very few hogs get away.  If you hunt a population long enough the hogs will get educated to dogs and probly more so to YOU
3.  you can blame the dogs.  Maybee they were too gritty or not gritty enough, or too many dogs, or maybe not enough dogs.  This probly on the right track most of the time because the right ballance of too little or too much pressure is a fine line, and hard to find.  Also It changes from one hog to another.  This is were a dog with finnesse is great in my opinion, one that will judge the situation first and put just enough pressure on a hog, or none if it is not needed, or loads of pressure if thats what it takes.  But those dogs are hard to come by.  Then again if you have one dog that has no finesse it can kill your chances even if the other dogs do.  They won't have time to do thier thing the other dog has pushed the hog from word go.  This is not a very common scape goat, because almost everyone  has some sort of emotional connection to thier dogs and they dont wanna admit that what they have his causing the problem even if the signs are pretty obvious.  Most of the time people go back to reasons 1 or 2 because that takes it out of their hands.
4.  You can blame yourself. Human error! You approached from upwind and the hog winded you and thats what broke the bay, you missed a shot you should have made, you were too lazy to get off the 4-wheeler and the hog heard it and was ready to run when the dogs found him, you let the excitement get the best of you and ran to the bay making sound like a D8 dozer and the hog heard you, you yelled at your dog for running deer and the hog heard you.  There are any number of scenarios here, but in my opinion human error is the number one cause of hogs getting away.  With 4-wheeler noise and hogs hearing or smelling the hunters being the most common cause.  This is just based on my experience hunting hunting ~18 years with countless different people, different styles, different terrain; walking, horseback, motorscooters; different numbers of dogs, 15 dogs, 2 dogs, Catch dogs, bay dog, pot lickers, loose dogs, rough dogs, trashy dogs, you name it...... all that and everything in between.  I beleive hogs are not scared of dogs like we think.  But one thing I think we can all agree on 95% of the places hog are scared of humans, human sounds, smells ect.  I have seen hogs come around houses and barns eating cow feed or spilled grain, with house dogs barking at them from 25 feet away and the hogs dont bat an eye just keep eating.  Now you tell me does a hog know the diffrence between a house dog and a hog dog(bay dog). Now its the Same hogs when we hunted them after my uncle got tired of them rooting around his grain bins... we came up on them in the truck and spooked them, they hit the road in high gear and we kicked dogs out and never got anything bayed, just scattered hogs and dogs.  Same hogs again, same spot, different day we parked the truck and walked in, found the hogs in the woods this time, bayed hogs as pretty as you could want killed a half dozen or more, all were shot while standing at bay.  Same hogs and same dogs, the only thing different was the hogs did'nt know we were there untill the gun went boom boom.  That kept the hogs away for a few weeks but they came back to the grain bins and we hunted again, this time we got a boar hog bayed in the same woods, get to the bay, but I don't have the wind just right and the hog winds me and busts bay and leaves the country, so to speak.  Now you tell me what the problem was, was he scared of the dogs or scared of me?  Finally got the dogs back, and it was one of those few days that was'nt hot or deer season and the dogs still had something left in them so we kept hunting and not 400 yards away from where I spooked the other hog, the dogs found another hog and got it bayed, I got the wind right, and got the hog.  Same hogs, same dogs, the onlything different between the suscess and failure was Human errer letting the hogs know we were there.  I can't tell you how many times I have bayed hogs on the other side of the river, sat on the bank wating for someone to get a boat and listen to hogs bayed for ever right on the other side.  Then finally get a boat and get across, only to let a hog wind me and the hog then runs 3/4 a mile before they get him stopped again.  But its not often that people will blame them selves.

It is human nature to find a scape goat when things go wrong and the hog gets away.  We all do it, its an adaptation that allows us to figgure out how to do things better next time.  But the problem is we dont always find the right reason and we don't usually look for problems when the outcome is good and hogs get caught or bayed even though there may have been problems, they just did'nt affect the outcome this time.  Its like lots of penalty yards in a football game, but you still won.  Well, next time you face a better aponent, those penalties might be the difference between sucess or failure.  

So who do you blame when hogs get away?

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 07:23:50 pm »

Good point.

I honestly usually blame myself for mismatching the right dogs for the hunt, lack of preparation, lack of planning, etc.  Other than that it's just luck of the draw I think.

 
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2009, 07:30:24 pm »

I mostly blame myself, my dogs have been at this longer than me Cheesy.  I normally find fault with something I did, and monday morning quarterback myself to death over it.  Should have drove there, should have walked there, should have turned out there, should have let the catch dog go then.  i'll find something to beat myself up over.   
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 07:38:07 pm »

That drive back home after a bad hunt can be brutal, can't it? Grin  I can second guess myself with the best of 'em Grin
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 08:07:48 pm »

I blame the young guys hunting with me for not doing their part..............thats why its always good to have a young person there with some young dogs, you always have a scape goat....................joking.

Honestly after 35 yrs I gave up on pointing blame. Trying to figure out if you did something wrong is Ok but to lay blame is making excuses for you and your dogs. The ones that get away dont bother me, its the one that kills a dog that keeps me up at night thinking "what could I have done different".
The other one that makes me think hard is why didnt we start anything at all, not even a bark or an interest, on one of my best places.

I have run many sored boars over the years that were sored long before I got to them. I had one we ran about 12xs, we would start him in the same place everytime, and he would run the same direction everytime. Everytime I came at him we tried something different with the same end result. The night we got him I said "dont care lets just run him get it over with so we can move on to something else", 4 bay dogs caught him like he was a pig, 100 yrds after the first bark, he weighed 312 lbs. Nothing was done any different, the same dogs were used, no thought was given just dumped em out so we could get it over with, you just never know.

There is nothing more unpredicable than a hog. I do agree with wnwendler that there are lots of things to consider and even take respondsibility for but there is even more that is way out of our control.
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2009, 10:39:43 pm »

Wmwendler,

to sum up the book you wrote here. If we as hog hunters would just sneak to the bay with the wind in our face and start breeding finesse in our dogs, these hogs will stop giving us the slip and we will start catching all of them! Grin

Just joking. Couldnt resist the jab after making me read that book you wrote. lol.
I actually agree with you and have learned most of the things you mention the hard way.
Educated hogs that can hear and/or smell your approach will bust through dogs in a hurry to get gone I agree.
I can honestly say that I have never blamed the hogs for me not catching them. That would be like blaming a trophy bass for throwing my bait or breaking my line. I sure dont go looking for small fish in fear that a big one might break me off!
I did start a thread a wile back that resurfaced in another recently about hogs running harder and faster than they use to. I still believe that they are through learned behavior and evolution to accommodate their predator base...........Hog hunters. Its natures way in my opinion. Just another angle on survival of the fittest.
When I posted it I was pissed for getting burned two hunts in a row but I wasn't complaining about it.
Ever break off on a big fish or loose one at the boat? Same feeling for me! I dont like it!
I blame myself when I loose hogs but I dont dwell on it.
I analyze my failure, make adjustments were I think I need them, and hope for the best on the next hunt.
Other than that its like Noah said..........Luck of the draw.
 

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 08:32:39 am »

That is the biggest problem we as hunters never factor in the margin for error. My error is my youngest brother. LOL Took over 20 hunts before he got on his first bark. Leave him at home guaranteed catch, take him and everyone was ticked off at me.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 09:27:44 am »

Wmwendler,

to sum up the book you wrote here. If we as hog hunters would just sneak to the bay with the wind in our face and start breeding finesse in our dogs, these hogs will stop giving us the slip and we will start catching all of them! Grin



I tell you what those two things help me allot.  I would rather have a dog that stood back 50 feet away and barked than a dog that is known for pushing hogs.  Atleast the first dog has Zero effect on the hog, the second makes the situation worse.  The dogs are supposed to be there to help not hinder.  Nothing irritates me more than a dog that is known for pushing hogs.  There is this one particular dog that belongs to the one particular person that I wont mention the name, and she is like clock work she will bay for just about a min and then she starts pushing, and you will either have a shoat catchin' (if its a group)  or a race.  Now she might get a hog stoped in the next couple hundred yards but only about 40% of the time.  She fights hogs and thats totally different than baying and the only hogs that stop running are the ones agressive enough to fight back which is'nt as many as you might think.  She is a heck of a strike dog and her owner thinks she is the greatest thing that walks the earth despite it all.  To me she is just a waste of hair.  I once had a nice sow bayed with 3 curs.  She tried to run but they put a little heat on her and she found a ditch for cover and they had finess enough to back up and bay.  It was a pretty bay and I was just sitting behind a tree watching it for 10 min or so, when allong comes this waste of hiar dog, from where ever she was, and it wasn't 30 seconds she busted the bay.  Now that pissed me off so much I did'nt enjoy the rest of the hunt.  That is a perfect example of a totall lack of finesse.

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 09:33:42 am »

I don't blame anything... it's all part of the game.

Sometimes the hogs win and sometimes the dogs win! Grin
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 09:50:07 am »

Yea, I think that if we caught hogs every time we went after one, there would be no challenge and I would get board with the sport pretty fast. Its the hogs that run like deer that keep us coming back. Oh, and by the way my husband just informed me that when a hog gets away...Its my fault.
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 10:04:45 am »

I agree..Its the runners that keep it challenging. If you caught every hog you struck, it would'nt be called hunting. Heck, if that was the case I might would have to go back to catching hogs with my hands Grin
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 10:14:28 am »

On the other hand, if every hog you strike attempts to leave the country. I would then start looking into a couple things.

1) Is a dog busting the bay or trying to catch but dosent have enough ass to hold it?

2) Am I getting too close when leading the catchdog in and flushing the hog out?

3) If you hunt off of a wheeler, are you driving to close to the bay?

4)Weather and time of day. Its been my experience that the hogs run more in hotter weather and bay up in the cooler months. Also more hogs seem to run on me at night than anytime else. JMO

5) Hunting pressure is usually the last thing I consider.

These are just a couple of things that I have made the mistake of doing in the past and now I make sure that I dont repeat them again.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 10:34:23 am »

I agree..Its the runners that keep it challenging. If you caught every hog you struck, it would'nt be called hunting. Heck, if that was the case I might would have to go back to catching hogs with my hands Grin
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2009, 03:46:59 pm »

I try to make sure I don't screw up and that I know what my dogs are doing... after that if the hog gets away, its ok, we will get him next time. There is a thrill that comes with finally catching a hog that you have ran two or three times before.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 07:57:41 pm »

I dont blame it on anything or anyone, it happens, who cares? THERE IS ALWAYS MORE HOGS TO CATCH!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 08:09:36 pm »

Agree, If you caugtht hogs everytime, it would be like shooting cows in a pasture,  oops I mean  high fence deer hunting.

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2009, 08:37:36 pm »

Can't blame the hogs i would be running too  Grin Grin
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 08:53:22 pm »

Mostly, Mr.Mason & I like to blame it on Thomas.....cause we can Evil
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2009, 01:27:03 am »

Not to get in a argument here, but i think its alot to do with the territory. A hog knows the territory way better than a dog knows, from exsperience hunting down in Encinal Texas and how thick it is down there, most of the time a hog will outrun a dog in thick brush even if it does leave a trail behind. After eight hundred or so yards or more my dogs are covered in cactus and they still have the drive to hunt. I think if a hog gets away he knows what hes in for, or hes been run before or has a little russian in him. But i think if you get one thats been a fight thats big enough hes not going to run hes going to stay in his territory. Thats my knowledge huntin down south, central, and north. Anyway even a monster pig thats never seen dogs will run what i encountered hunting up north with c-white.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2009, 10:03:55 pm »

Depends on the bay dogs finding and cotaining the bay.
Depends on hunters running too fast and noisey and breaking the bay.
Depends on if you ride up to the bay on 4-wheelers.

Most times if the dogs contains and you ease in and know what's going on before you turn the catch dog loose you would catch more hogs and get lest dogs hurt.

Just my thought and I'll still trying to get the knowledge to say I know anything.

We do blame Thomas but it's all in fun, he knows he's special to us and we'll keep him around a little longer.
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