Tournaments, lies, cheats, lawsuits and failed polys!!!

[mattr]

Polygraphs can be fooled, but it is worth your intergretity?

[T-Bob Parker]

I can speak only from my own experience, but if a judge accompanies team high yeller, he'd better be in dang Spartan warrior shape and be just as mentally tough Cuz when chance is on horseback it's hard to keep up with him on and ATV!!! Only way to beat him to a bay is to get in TShelleys pocket , cuz that son of a gun is faster than a horse! And the only way to beat Tony is to keep up with Rowdy! That boy must have a teleporter cuz you can leave him on the buggy and sprint to the bay and he will already be there and getting bored by the time you get there!!!

[ole shep]

Bass fishing,rodeo or hog hunting there will always be those that are elite.

[jhy]

Also, what does a judge do in the event of a split bay? Poly is the only sure fire way to go. Plus criminal charges can be brought against a cheater and be put in jail. The guy who runs the BSDHA polygraph test and will probably be doing the Bumpur's this year busted those boys about 10 yrs ago cheating in 100K prize fishing tournament. They each got 10 yrs in jail I believe for fraud. They had a stringer of fish tied up to a dock somewhere and failed the poly. I have faith in the polygraph if administered by a true professional in a quiet setting.

[JLH]

Judge goes to first hog called bayed or can elect to go to closer. It is two different worlds so would be hard to do with a judge.

[Bryant]

Quite honestly the presence of a polygraph in any competition is more a deterrant for someone to not cheat than what the results could conclude anyhow and anyone who believes any different should do some reading.  There is a reason that (speaking specifically for Texas) law forbids their use completely in all law enforcement contexts.  Simply put, the results are unreliable.  Don't think for a second that they can't be beaten...heck the elite military trains for it.  Good poker players would have no problem.

When you enter a competition, you agree that should you win you will be subject to a polygraph test and by doing so you also agree to accept the results of that test.  Taking it one step further and thinking that the same test results could be the basis for some type of lawsuit is absurd.

It's quite a shame in my opinion that something like this is even a topic of discussion.  It's a hog hunting tournament for goodness sakes.

[TexasHogDogs]

Quite honestly the presence of a polygraph in any competition is more a deterrant for someone to not cheat than what the results could conclude anyhow and anyone who believes any different should do some reading.  There is a reason that (speaking specifically for Texas) law forbids their use completely in all law enforcement contexts.  Simply put, the results are unreliable.  Don't think for a second that they can't be beaten...heck the elite military trains for it.  Good poker players would have no problem.

When you enter a competition, you agree that should you win you will be subject to a polygraph test and by doing so you also agree to accept the results of that test.  Taking it one step further and thinking that the same test results could be the basis for some type of lawsuit is absurd.

It's quite a shame in my opinion that something like this is even a topic of discussion.  It's a hog hunting tournament for goodness sakes.

I agree 100%

[justincorbell]

Quite honestly the presence of a polygraph in any competition is more a deterrant for someone to not cheat than what the results could conclude anyhow and anyone who believes any different should do some reading.  There is a reason that (speaking specifically for Texas) law forbids their use completely in all law enforcement contexts.  Simply put, the results are unreliable.  Don't think for a second that they can't be beaten...heck the elite military trains for it.  Good poker players would have no problem.

When you enter a competition, you agree that should you win you will be subject to a polygraph test and by doing so you also agree to accept the results of that test.  Taking it one step further and thinking that the same test results could be the basis for some type of lawsuit is absurd.

It's quite a shame in my opinion that something like this is even a topic of discussion.  It's a hog hunting tournament for goodness sakes.

I agree 100%

Im with you as well, what ever happened to a good time with good people doin what you love??? Sad that money makes people so crazy

[Amokabs]

The thing thats sad to me is usually these comps are raising $$ for a charitable cause, and seems like folks should be in the spirit of helping that cause, not winning at all cost. Plus,,i cant stand a thief, and cheatin is like stealing

[Black Smith]

I just cant  understand why people have to cheat. it just don't make since just go hunt be honest if you win good if not it is still good. I would just like to hunt a tournament one time but the way I work that will never happen because I have no schedule but sounds like it would be a lot of fun. Polygraph is just like a lock on a door it keeps the honest people honest a damn thief is going to steal and  cheat anyway!!!

[TShelly]

I'm so tired from tournament hunting, I'm just now feeling like posting anything. We've tied a 115 hogs since January 1st.

In the contests where Barrs were allowed in the stringers we caught none. And when they weren't we caught some freaking studs. It's simply luck of the draw people. For the whole food aspect and them staying around, people are straight Idiots. Im sorry, it just doesnt happen like that. I agree that not everyone can cut Barrs, and that your hunting areas generally dictate that.. But how is that our problem where you get permission to hunt. We have worked hard to get access or lease the land we do. People can say Barrs have an advantage, but in the same token. Feed lot and farm country "normal" hogs are way bigger than our piney wood, pine straw fed "normal" hogs.

In the last 5 years our team has never once failed a polygraph; we've won over 30 buckles and over $10k through that time. And still the rumors stir like crazy about us or any other top team cheating. So is life. There is always someone that's going to hate on the people on top. Haters are gonna hate regardless of it's out of jealousy, greed, spite or any of their other character flaws.

Congrats to Cole, it's always been us or him battling it out over the years. Much mutual respect has developed for people that continuously rise to the top in a competitive sport such as this. Matt you pulled a helluva stringer this year, congrats on some good weight as well.

We've always welcomed a judge or someone to tag along and film our whole weekend in a tournament. We have nothing to hide. But like t-bob said our pace and style of hunting will straight run you into the ground. you better tighten up to make it in a weekend tournament hunt with us. its so much work, you have to have genuine love for the sport and your dogs to get through it all. I don't know if a polygraph is 100%, but I do agree that it is black & white. That when a team fails, they should not be allowed to win. Plain and simple. Lawsuits have no place in these tournaments, unless real issues arise. Here again we have the city-slicker type, kid attitude of growing up with a little education and some money and when things don't go your way people start saying well I'll sue you, etc, etc... I would have more respect for a man if he threatened to whoop my ass versus threatening to sue me over a menial hog hunting tournament. There's more to life than that and I hope in the future the justice system won't continuously be made a mockery of with these outlandish threats.

We won't hunt anymore tournaments that don't allow Barr hogs in the stringer. Plain and simple. It's just too much work and dangerous for our dogs to put them in that position anymore. There is still this since of disappoint in our minds over this whole issue.

I'm still picking thorns out of my hands from the TDHA hunt. We tied 24 hogs in a 12 hour period on Saturday. It was a great event and we spoke quietly to lots of people about the Barr issue and how to improve the contest. We will see how it proceeds from here.

Good luck and happy hunting to everyone

[Fixitlouie]

polys are instant....there should acouple of "baseline" questions then a few real questions. usually the same questions in a series of 2 to 3 sets. not necessarily in the same order. normally 3 dif ways to test for deception. sweat , breathing rate and heart rate. the most important part of a polygraph is the interview

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[Fixitlouie]

I'm so tired from tournament hunting, I'm just now feeling like posting anything. We've tied a 115 hogs since January 1st.

In the contests where Barrs were allowed in the stringers we caught none. And when they weren't we caught some freaking studs. It's simply luck of the draw people. For the whole food aspect and them staying around, people are straight Idiots. Im sorry, it just doesnt happen like that. I agree that not everyone can cut Barrs, and that your hunting areas generally dictate that.. But how is that our problem where you get permission to hunt. We have worked hard to get access or lease the land we do. People can say Barrs have an advantage, but in the same token. Feed lot and farm country "normal" hogs are way bigger than our piney wood, pine straw fed "normal" hogs.

In the last 5 years our team has never once failed a polygraph; we've won over 30 buckles and over $10k through that time. And still the rumors stir like crazy about us or any other top team cheating. So is life. There is always someone that's going to hate on the people on top. Haters are gonna hate regardless of it's out of jealousy, greed, spite or any of their other character flaws.

Congrats to Cole, it's always been us or him battling it out over the years. Much mutual respect has developed for people that continuously rise to the top in a competitive sport such as this. Matt you pulled a helluva stringer this year, congrats on some good weight as well.

We've always welcomed a judge or someone to tag along and film our whole weekend in a tournament. We have nothing to hide. But like t-bob said our pace and style of hunting will straight run you into the ground. you better tighten up to make it in a weekend tournament hunt with us. its so much work, you have to have genuine love for the sport and your dogs to get through it all. I don't know if a polygraph is 100%, but I do agree that it is black & white. That when a team fails, they should not be allowed to win. Plain and simple. Lawsuits have no place in these tournaments, unless real issues arise. Here again we have the city-slicker type, kid attitude of growing up with a little education and some money and when things don't go your way people start saying well I'll sue you, etc, etc... I would have more respect for a man if he threatened to whoop my ass versus threatening to sue me over a menial hog hunting tournament. There's more to life than that and I hope in the future the justice system won't continuously be made a mockery of with these outlandish threats.

We won't hunt anymore tournaments that don't allow Barr hogs in the stringer. Plain and simple. It's just too much work and dangerous for our dogs to put them in that position anymore. There is still this since of disappoint in our minds over this whole issue.

I'm still picking thorns out of my hands from the TDHA hunt. We tied 24 hogs in a 12 hour period on Saturday. It was a great event and we spoke quietly to lots of people about the Barr issue and how to improve the contest. We will see how it proceeds from here.

Good luck and happy hunting to everyone

....yes keep the legal stuff out and knuckle up. win or lose there's always a mutual respect when you get punched in the face.  I have access to an octagon cage and a boxing ring. and I can bring it anywhere you want
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[dub]

Parents cheat at little league Bring in over age kids and lie for what? Some people will even cheat at solitaire I don't understand it and I am glad.

[jhy]

Very well put Tony and congrats on y'all's year as well. Hopefully I will have time to visit with you this next month at Bumpur's tourney.

[red79]

If u win a contest no matter what someone is going to say u cheated we won the pearsal  contest this yr and some people said that we cheated people just can't take the fact they got beat

[BA-IV]

If u win a contest no matter what someone is going to say u cheated we won the pearsal  contest this yr and some people said that we cheated people just can't take the fact they got beat

And that's exactly what the polygraph should fix.  It should be pass or fail, you pass end of story, you fail end of story...NOT let's take another one and count one and not count the other.

[Fixitlouie]

poyls dont work like that. the administer is trying to get you to admit something. that is why the interview is the most important part.

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[jhy]

poyls dont work like that. the administer is trying to get you to admit something. that is why the interview is the most important part.

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How many have you taken? I observed one and he asked simple questions from your drivers license so he could get a read on your vitals when you are telling the truth, so when your vitals went up or irregular when asked a question it was an indicator that you are not telling the truth. I also have a friend who owns a drug and gun distribution center. He uses the polygraph instead of drug tests for his employees. Through the years he has learned all the tells of a lie. Don't tell me that a man who has been educated at MIT, HARVARD AND OXFORD UNIVERSITY's doesn't know what is the most fool proof test.

Folks are going to say the winning team cheated no matter what because our sport is full of uneducated poor sports, but they are becoming a minority thank God! The results of a polygraph should be final and the person giving the poly should ask the exact same questions for each person and I believe that they should post the questions along with the results.

I heard that the fella running the Gator Country hunt mishandled the pt graph by asking the fella who was giving it to ask FatBoy Outfitters some questions that were not on the list of questions because he had heard they may have run a hog down on a 4 wheeler with a bulldog. That isn't right! You ask a set of questions that pertain to the rules only. If they did do that but a dog found the hog first then they technically were legal, but still a gray area. If my dogs bay a group and as I am going to the bay a boar hog breaks towards me as I am unsnapping a bulldog and bulldog gives chase and catches it then that is within the rules because it was" found by a dog and caught by a dog".

Please do not cast doubt on the validity of a polygraph anymore with all this "spy" talk and assumptions as to how they are supposed to function like "getting you to admit that you did something wrong". This is a proven science and not some type of manipulative ploy to scare folks into telling the truth.

Now I am ready for the folks involved in both hunts that are in question to speak up and tell the truth to clear their name and restore some integrity back to the hunting comps.

[Fixitlouie]

humph...ok

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