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« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2013, 08:25:37 pm » |
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Another angle to throw into the brain storm room is a distinct difference in where the ultimate priorities lie.
Some are more driven by the shear aspect of the hunt and do not take alot of interest in the actual breed or bloodline aspect. An example would be....Someone that continually rotates various dogs no matter the background or breeding ...as long as they provide them a means to stay in the woods. They typically buy everything on their stringer throughout their hunting careers without raising their own. Nothing wrong with this at all....BUT its a different outlook than the dogman.
They are in it for the dogs themselves not just the sole thrill of the hunt. Dont get me wrong...producing a working stock dog capable of accomplishing anything the person desires it to do.....is highly regarded. BUT......
If the dogman had to get out of hunting all together.........They would still keep their dogs VS selling out because of where their true loyalties lie.
Two aspects of this game that commonly get regarded as the same.
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« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2013, 08:30:47 pm » |
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Just to make sure I understand.....
A true dog man can or can't have more than one breed of dog he works with?
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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2013, 08:37:18 pm » |
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BA-IV " Plenty of dogs find pigs, but that dont mean there a hog dog."
Lol please explain this.....and what those dogs are called!!!??? The Original Setxhogdogs
I'll elaborate... There's tons of dogs that will take a smoking hot track, or get dumped where hogs are under every bush. They'll find a hog, hog breaks, dog runs it a little bit, quits and comes back. To me that a cull, not a hog dog. A hog dog will find it and bay it, if that hog wants to run and can't be "stopped", that dog will run it till it's lungs are deflated and be there bayed when you get there... whether its 5 minutes or 5 hours. Finding a hog is only part of the package. Well said Mike. It's hard to explain a true hog dog until you've seen one with your own eyes
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BA-IV
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« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2013, 08:42:23 pm » |
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Just to make sure I understand.....
A true dog man can or can't have more than one breed of dog he works with?
A true dogman, and I use the word sparingly, can take your cull and make it into a dog. He's got a gift few have.
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« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2013, 08:47:13 pm » |
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Just to make sure I understand.....
A true dog man can or can't have more than one breed of dog he works with?
Its a mind set of where the true priorities lie. Are you in it for DOGS that hunt? Or HUNTING......with Dogs? Neither are meant to be compared good or bad against each aspect. But definitely a difference.
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« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2013, 08:57:23 pm » |
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I have both my catahoulas are better dogs but I hunt with rockin b a lot he has some jam up yella dogs he won't own a spotted dog lol but me it don't matter wat it is long as it hunts ill hunt behind it... And and a yella dog started from a catahoula
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« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2013, 09:13:43 pm » |
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Another angle to throw into the brain storm room is a distinct difference in where the ultimate priorities lie.
Some are more driven by the shear aspect of the hunt and do not take alot of interest in the actual breed or bloodline aspect. An example would be....Someone that continually rotates various dogs no matter the background or breeding ...as long as they provide them a means to stay in the woods. They typically buy everything on their stringer throughout their hunting careers without raising their own. Nothing wrong with this at all....BUT its a different outlook than the dogman.
They are in it for the dogs themselves not just the sole thrill of the hunt. Dont get me wrong...producing a working stock dog capable of accomplishing anything the person desires it to do.....is highly regarded. BUT......
If the dogman had to get out of hunting all together.........They would still keep their dogs VS selling out because of where their true loyalties lie.
Two aspects of this game that commonly get regarded as the same.
I understand totally what your saying. I've raised Cat curs on and off since I was a kid. I only started hog hunting a few years ago. I was determined to take the dogs I have and use them to hunt hogs. When I breed I try and improve what I already have. They are going to hunt and work for me or I just won't hunt. It's all about trying to improve the bloodline to me. I won't be changing dogs after every dry run trying to keep up with any one. I started with a line and I'm going to see it through trying to improve on it where I can. On the THIS BREED VS, THAT BREED, I really enjoy looking and reading about all breeds.
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"Pedigree indicates what the animal should be. Conformation indicates what the animal appears to be. But PERFORMANCE indicates what the animal actually is."
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« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2013, 09:29:06 pm » |
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correct how many guys out there run just one type of breed, mike you have several diffrent ones. in fact all hunters that are worth there weight seem to run a few. I like bmc, I like cat. but what I really want is a good find and bay dog. dont care if its ugly or not.
from me.....who else. tapatalk
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bay, catch, barr, repeat...
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Reuben
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« Reply #48 on: April 02, 2013, 09:38:25 pm » |
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correct how many guys out there run just one type of breed, mike you have several diffrent ones. in fact all hunters that are worth there weight seem to run a few. I like bmc, I like cat. but what I really want is a good find and bay dog. dont care if its ugly or not.
from me.....who else. tapatalk
get you a well bred mt cur dog to run with your Cat and BMC...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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T-Bob Parker
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« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2013, 10:04:32 pm » |
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All of what mike said, PLUS, they no the jobs not over just cuz you caught one hog. A hog dog will see you got this hog handled and boogie on to the next sign (that it probably already smelled and remembered while still working the hog your currently legging.) the true hog dog knows there's more hogs.
Next (in my opinion) the Hog Dog has a freak Brain. Almost like they are thinking human thoughts with a dogs abilities. EXAMPLE, they can be a long ways from you, but still are almost connected to you. I've seen one bitch that I really like bayin a boar hog in a bad spot and stay bayed in the extreme summer heat and humidity all day BECUASE she knew I was coming, I've experienced the same dog bayed on a equally bad hog in an equally bad area and I was sweating bullets (this has happened four times) BECUASE I knew for sure I was not supposed to go in there, I would definitely get cuaght and I would definitely be in major trouble, and with out calling her or her seeing me, at the height of my anxiety she came back to me and loaded up.
The real hog dog isn't a pleasure hunting dog, he will bust your butt and work you into the ground.
It really is impossible to sum up what some ofthese guys are calling real hog dogs, but u can say that by and large, the Hog Dog will make you ashamed that you brought dogs when somebody else owns em, and he'll make you cull dogs that others would pay thousands for when you own him.
(as a disclaimer, a Hog Dog may very well strain your marriage and cuase you to be a terrible employee! Lol)
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« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2013, 11:27:48 pm » |
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Like a good friend told me I never seen a good dog the wrong color!!!
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« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2013, 12:08:54 am » |
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I've heard of good dogs just never seen or had any....at least I don't think I have...
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Reuben
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« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2013, 05:29:02 am » |
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T-bob, your right about making a terrible employee..got to plan a hunt because you might be there pretty late getting to the dogs...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2013, 08:22:53 am » |
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I have never seen a true hog dog. I have seen a few really good dogs but no true great dogs. My standards are high. Another reason I havent ever bred a dog. To reproduce, a dog better be really,really good at his/her job. Way too many breed for money and "just because". If you have a good thing(dog) you dont want everyone to have one. Human nature makes you competitive. I cull dogs. One took a trip to the vet and the all the others found new pet homes. Some are blood dogs and some are back yard pets.
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