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« on: May 03, 2013, 07:34:38 pm » |
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Well sittin here bored as hell again on a Fri nite.
Just thinking off the top of my head. What is the real difference between .
BMC - Catahulas - Mt Curs - Leopard Curs - Yellow curs - the Lacys and all the cur brand of hunting dogs. I mean how much of a difference is the dogs that started these lines of dogs what was bred to make these lines up to start out , like what started the BMC line what kind of dog are dogs and the Mt Curs what kind of dog started this breed out same with the Cats and other curs ? Proably nobody really knows but what is your guess are you best knowledge on this ?
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 07:37:41 pm » |
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Forgot to add the Fla Curs . What breed of dogs make all these dogs up . All the cur lines had to start some were . What were the crosses to make all these dogs before the name came and stuck to them ?
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JRyanS
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 07:41:27 pm » |
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I dont have a clue other than the Mt. Cur is the best. Lol!................only because thats what I have.  Were Cats bred from Australian Shepherds? |
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TexasHogDogs
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 07:54:50 pm » |
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Am a ole bulldog breeder converted over to the curs in the last ten/twelve years. I can tell ya just about what you want to know with the bulldogs but when it comes to real realtime history on the cur lines am not very well schooled .
I would also like to know about what time frames are years that all these lines of dogs got there names stuck to them BMC / Mt Curs and so on and so fourth. In other words what year were all these breeds really born ? What makes them up ? Who is the Father of these breeds are in other words who pioneered these lines ?
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 08:00:29 pm » |
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We can get real real deep into all of this . Like what gives the Cats the distinctive spots its got to come from some were and some line of dog are dogs . What gives the Yellow color and black mask of the BMC's were does all this originate ? Same with the Lacy's the blue slate color? Were does the bob tail come from on the MT Curs .
All of this if has to come threw their oringal breedings . One thing I know about breeding and that is if it shows up its been there before and there is a link to it threw the ancestry of the animal !
Things just dont show up out of the blue like magic if it shows up its there !
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 08:13:21 pm » |
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Texashogdog...I have to say it is a bunch of bull in what has been written on most of those dogs...lots of theories and what not...heck, I have seen some purebred looking BMC looking dogs that had walker or plott in them...
the mt cur was probably a cross of hound with cur type dogs and quite a few at one time looked like plott hounds way back in the old days...nowadays quite a few look like short eared fiest looking dogs...just a trend but that is how a line or breed of dogs go down hill...
I believe it was in the late 1950's when some folks around Tennessee got together and started registering them as mt cur because they were awesome all around dogs that watched the farm and put meat on the table and made money off of the pelts from the critters they treed...they were used to hunt from rabbits to squirrel to boar and bear...
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 08:19:07 pm » |
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Texashogdog...I have to say it is a bunch of bull in what has been written on most of those dogs...lots of theories and what not...heck, I have seen some purebred looking BMC looking dogs that had walker or plott in them...
Reuben , I could not agree with you more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was asking these questions up there what I didnt want was somebody to give me a quote out of some history book but I want to hear what they have heard and what they know . I can go look it up on google but a whole lot of that aint worth a plug nickel and just something that somebody wrote to make a buck are two . Am not saying all of it is worthless but there is a whole whole lot not told and that would be the truth about somethings and what made a lot of breeds of dogs .
I believe my eyes when it comes to breeding dogs .
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 08:46:27 pm » |
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 1/8 Mountain Cur Couldn't see it in any of his litter mates either Merle from....?.....Great Dane? I know they were used as war dogs...a very old breed Kevin Nevil 817-300-3241 |
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2013, 08:51:35 pm » |
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We'll, I believe the word "cur" originally meant Dog and they started in Tennessee (I believe) so I figured that's where the name Mt. Cur came from.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2013, 11:02:00 pm » |
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I used to own a full blood mnt cur gyp that looked just like a ybmc with a bob tail. Lot of people mistakend her for a BMC but she had the build and the smaller ears like a mnt cur And the HYPER ACTIVITY !
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Haha if we can get Waylon and Mr. Whitten on here well get this ball rolling.
IMO a cur is a cur Mt, Kemmer, FL, Cracker, Canadian, and Blackmouth all are essentially the same. Just with different standards from different men that created them. But have now been characterized by registries.
At the end of it all I don't believe any of us can 100 percent hit the nail on the head. We don't know what all went into these dogs.
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Haha if we can get Waylon and Mr. Whitten on here well get this ball rolling.
IMO a cur is a cur Mt, Kemmer, FL, Cracker, Canadian, and Blackmouth all are essentially the same. Just with different standards from different men that created them. But have now been characterized by registries.
At the end of it all I don't believe any of us can 100 percent hit the nail on the head. We don't know what all went into these dogs.
That is a excellent theory Dog, Hogs , Coons. I have often wondered this myself . I have wondered that just maybe a lot of these cur lines might just be closer than a lot of folks might think and what might seperate them and their charteristes is the men that bred them . Hummmmmmmmmmm of course I say theory because none of us really know but a hell of a swing at a fast ball here. |
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Should have called me jimmy I would have came down and hunted with u.. Lol
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Example of this is the bulldogs . They were imported from three four different countrys and all different type breeds and lines but once here they were all crossed at one time are another making totally different bloodlines and familys of dogs that we all now know as the American Pit Bull Terrier . Whos to say the same did not happen with the cur type of dogs at one time are another of course before all of us and then later on after so much breeding of certain types by different men that wanted different traits and they were broken off into different breeds and different lines of cur dogs .
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Should have called me jimmy I would have came down and hunted with u.. Lol
I may be picking up a new place that is a ton and I mean a ton of land and hogs here in the next week are two if I get it I will holler at you. I never even thought about it I forget you young guys like to roll and dont mind the ride . |
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my theory on the subject is just this , when these dogs came to be every body had their ol farm and ranch dogs running around protecting the livestock and there was no such thing as kennels or chained up dogs and when one got bred there was no absolute way of knowing from what lol some made great dogs and were taken care of and some didn't get fed . then one day somebody decided to start trying to breed or recreate those exceptional dogs of unknown ancestry and if they got lucky they figured out wich of their neighbors dog did the deed and took it from there and slapped a name on it . I would bet that the mnt.cur is a mixture of plot hound and the old farm shepards that were popular in the hills on the east coast along with several other just old mixed up dogs thrown in the mix really anything before the 1900 is all just hearsay and speculation even the plot hound wich we have the history on , I mean plot only got here with about three dogs he would have had to do some kind of fancy line breeding to keep them going .
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The term "Cur" can be used to describe a dog of questionable, uncertain or otherwise dubious breeding - essentially, a mongrel or mutt. The terms "Cur" and "Cur-dog" can be used interchangeably and are used to describe this type of dog, although it does not describe a specific breed. Unlike the true mutt which is random-bred with no human involvement, the curs' breeding is intentionally planned by people, in some cases employing strategic, thoughtful and sophisticated husbandry requiring deep pedigree knowledge and understanding.
I'm not knocking "curs" cause I run em too. I'm sure we all agree it doesn't matter the breed as long as they find us hogs. Everybody will always have they're own opinion, but at the end of the day we all want the same goal. TO CATCH HOGS!
It's funny this came up tonight because I just had a similar discussion last night.
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my theory on the subject is just this , when these dogs came to be every body had their ol farm and ranch dogs running around protecting the livestock and there was no such thing as kennels or chained up dogs and when one got bred there was no absolute way of knowing from what lol some made great dogs and were taken care of and some didn't get fed . then one day somebody decided to start trying to breed or recreate those exceptional dogs of unknown ancestry and if they got lucky they figured out wich of their neighbors dog did the deed and took it from there and slapped a name on it . I would bet that the mnt.cur is a mixture of plot hound and the old farm shepards that were popular in the hills on the east coast along with several other just old mixed up dogs thrown in the mix really anything before the 1900 is all just hearsay and speculation even the plot hound wich we have the history on , I mean plot only got here with about three dogs he would have had to do some kind of fancy line breeding to keep them going .
x2 on what you said halfbreed...but I will add that back in those days that food was scarce and a dog had to earn its keep so those got fed...and the others culled...so even though the dogs were running loose chances were that it was of the better dogs that bred more often than not...still theory but that makes sense to me... BBKennels...I agree about the word cur... I have seen the meaning of many words change over the years and one word that wasn't a word back then became a word...if that even makes sense...  as a kid the word "GAY" basicly described a happy time or person...but now it just means well, gay... and back then at least in my neck of the woods a cur was a mutt or mongrel...a dog of unknown heritage...but today we have cur dogs and to be more specific...mt cur, bmc, catahoula cur, etc...etc... |
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I do believe the spanish war dogs that were brought over by DeSoto and others play a role in the foundation and evolution of these curs.
These conquistadors set up shop in Florida and Louisiana and it is well documented that they explored and traveled all through the south.
Hell Spain owned and ruled and had a heavy presence in Louisiana until late 1700's. It is also documented that the spanish abandoned these so
called war dogs and left them to roam freely. It is also documented that the indians took these dogs in and began crossing them with their
own dogs. I've read all of this in the past but I do believe this was the start of the southern cur dogs. I believe at first they were as mixed up as could be but then at some point different folks started breeding the ones they wanted and started line breeding and resulting
in the lines we have today such as Catahoulas, Florida Curs, Black Mouth Curs, etc.
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Should have called me jimmy I would have came down and hunted with u.. Lol
I may be picking up a new place that is a ton and I mean a ton of land and hogs here in the next week are two if I get it I will holler at you. I never even thought about it I forget you young guys like to roll and dont mind the ride . yes sir!!! Just give me a call and I will be there. Take care jimmy |
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