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« on: June 05, 2013, 02:30:51 pm » |
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Can someone please explain what exactly is an early starting help dog?
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KevinN
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2013, 02:55:25 pm » |
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Sure....I can explain it since your referring to me!
The gyp was started on pigs at 12 weeks and bayed first time in pen with my Jasper pup.
When her sister started up...a week or two later...they would catch the pig...very little barking.
At 5 months I was mock hunting them and again..with Jasper she wasn't to bad but....together they would catch.
By 10 months i had them in the woods and they were just to rough together. I quit hunting them both with Jasper and only took one or the other.
At right around a year I moved her sister to a guy that runs 1 Strike and 3 RCD's. Mica Beck in Mineral Wells. He loves her.
Bella I kept hunting with Jasper but he outshined her and took the lead role. She would run fairly well with him while hunting but in my yard i just consider her a help dog. The last time I hunted her they were all on a bad hog. The story is posted if you care to look it up. I quit hunting her after that and kept her for the sole purpose of this breeding.
Any further explanation needed?
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2013, 04:29:21 pm » |
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Come on Jody...everyone knows that's a help dog that helps best on early morning hunts.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 04:46:43 pm » |
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lol that's a good one how bout early evening hunts as well ? don't worry about them kevin it's hard to be politically correct when describing something in the dog trade . kinda like you ain't supposed to say illegal immigrant anymore . I guess we need to call young dogs undocumented hog dogs now lol .
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charles
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 05:03:53 pm » |
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Mr. Whitten, what the he!! We suppose to call them illegal border jumpers (dont forget there is a northern border too. Aint aimed at 1 single country, so dont throw the mexican race card)? They aint immigrant, they just a plain ole' illegal, or a terrorist
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 05:20:49 pm » |
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Sure....I can explain it since your referring to me!
The gyp was started on pigs at 12 weeks and bayed first time in pen with my Jasper pup.
When her sister started up...a week or two later...they would catch the pig...very little barking.
At 5 months I was mock hunting them and again..with Jasper she wasn't to bad but....together they would catch.
By 10 months i had them in the woods and they were just to rough together. I quit hunting them both with Jasper and only took one or the other.
At right around a year I moved her sister to a guy that runs 1 Strike and 3 RCD's. Mica Beck in Mineral Wells. He loves her.
Bella I kept hunting with Jasper but he outshined her and took the lead role. She would run fairly well with him while hunting but in my yard i just consider her a help dog. The last time I hunted her they were all on a bad hog. The story is posted if you care to look it up. I quit hunting her after that and kept her for the sole purpose of this breeding.
Any further explanation needed?
I'd like to hear alittle more if you don't mind... Ofcourse I'm sure you already know I'm not a fan of help dogs.. But I'd like to see what your point of view is on the following?? What do you expect from this litter? Why was that particular gyp used? Would you be satisfied with a whole pack just like her? |
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HS
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 05:58:13 pm » |
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I wish everyone wld do they homework and wld only breed proven dogs and well bred dogs like Bob Owens,clue Anderson,bob cox etc..there wld be alot less culls..the problem is that most ppl have never really seen a top notch dog...when i started huntin i always wanted to breed my best dogs,they wld find me hogs,so i was like wth.,,but then i met this guy and i took him huntin,,hes dogs made my dogs look like trash ,,i decided to get rid of erything i had but my best dog,,went around and picked up some well bred yella pups and now im where i always wanted to be..i aint got time to experiment,,i rather take a short cut , cuz,true dog men like the ones listed above have already done all the experimenting that needs to b done
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 06:45:22 pm » |
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Mr. Whitten, what the he!! We suppose to call them illegal border jumpers (dont forget there is a northern border too. Aint aimed at 1 single country, so dont throw the mexican race card)? They aint immigrant, they just a plain ole' illegal, or a terrorist
2x coyotes or sewer rats! lol |
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 07:36:19 pm » |
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Well to be honest one of my best dogs came frome a jam up strike dog (dad) and a help dog (mom) we where just starting out with our own pups Thats all we had to start with sooo we got 9 pups 6 where left and all six are going out far and striking there own or winning in a baypen ..so my moral to this story is you dont have to breed great dog to great dog you take a chance when you breed anything and get culls all day long i have seen many litters now out of awesome dogs that dont amount to nothing.
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If you raise yur own dogs you have no one to blame or point fingers at but yur self. U can always tell how good of a. Dog person he is by his bone pile
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charles
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Mr. Whitten, what the he!! We suppose to call them illegal border jumpers (dont forget there is a northern border too. Aint aimed at 1 single country, so dont throw the mexican race card)? They aint immigrant, they just a plain ole' illegal, or a terrorist
2x coyotes or sewer rats! lol So there is no bag limit or season on them? Why r they a problem then? Use 1 to draw the nxt 1 in n drop it |
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Justin Id be glad to expand.
What do I expect from this litter? I EXPECT every one of them to be at minimum a good help dog (my definition, and I'll get to that in a minute). I EXPECT at least 1 or 2 to be at least as good as the Sire. I wouldn't call him Jam up at this point but he's a lead dog in a WHOLE lot of yards. What I HOPE is to get one that shows traits of both (just like everyone else who breeds their dogs).
Why was this particular gyp used? Because I like her confirmation, I like her kennel personality. I like her handle. I like her focus and drive while she's engaged or on the track of a hog. She is rough and if I can get just some of that mixed with what Jasper shows I'll be happy, happy, happy!
Would I be satisfied with a whole pack of dogs just like her? No I wouldn't. Six or Eight dogs like her don't fit my style of hunting. She is to rough for my liking.
Some boys have had jam up dogs in their families for years and some boys have access to Jam up dogs. For most of us are LUCKY to acquire 1 jam up or better than average dog early on. We do what we can with what we have and in my case...what I have I don't want to lose. Point of fact...I would be happy to have a couple more just like my best dog. This breeding gives me a CHANCE to replicate what I HAVE and hopefully get a step closer to what I WANT.
As far as help dogs go....I'm not embarrassed to say I own one or two because......I guess my definition of a help dog is a little different than most.
As far as in concerned....if it ain't your lead dog....it's a help dog (in your yard). Plain and simple.
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Apologies Justin....mixed up there....Twill...hope I expanded for you.
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I think I understand why you feel that everything that ain't the lead dog is a help dog now Kevin. When you hunt, you put all the dogs you brought with on the ground and start moving/hunting don't you?
This won't lead to one of my famous smartass one liners, I'm just taking a guess at how you hunt, am I right or wrong?
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charles
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kevin, very well said. we all have our personal definition of a help dog, which what some look as a help dog in their yard to be a cull, is a better dog than what some may hav in their yards. I find it nearly nill to have every dog in a yard to be a supper star equally even with the rest. I would more than likely call BS till proven that each and every dog is an equal to the others and ALL are the best dogs in the world, till then some1 elses dogs may be better or worse than other folks dogs, but it all falls to eyes of the beholder.
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I wish everyone wld do they homework and wld only breed proven dogs and well bred dogs like Bob Owens,clue Anderson,bob cox etc..there wld be alot less culls..the problem is that most ppl have never really seen a top notch dog...when i started huntin i always wanted to breed my best dogs,they wld find me hogs,so i was like wth.,,but then i met this guy and i took him huntin,,hes dogs made my dogs look like trash ,,i decided to get rid of erything i had but my best dog,,went around and picked up some well bred yella pups and now im where i always wanted to be..i aint got time to experiment,,i rather take a short cut , cuz,true dog men like the ones listed above have already done all the experimenting that needs to b done
Well HS, not to argue or cut down on the dogs bred by the men you mentioned above because i know they bred good dogs BUT i personally dont want to take a short cut......i want to do it on my own, for me......i want to look back 30yrs down the road and say damn, i did pretty good, i bred, hunted and culled until my eyes crossed but now look at what I have, a yard full of sure enough true to the core hog dogs........maybe im in it for different reasons than some but when my day comes (hopefully not for a long time) i want people to remember me for the line of dogs I bred and raised...... |
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I think I understand why you feel that everything that ain't the lead dog is a help dog now Kevin. When you hunt, you put all the dogs you brought with on the ground and start moving/hunting don't you?
This won't lead to one of my famous smartass one liners, I'm just taking a guess at how you hunt, am I right or wrong?
Yessir....id say over the past few months I've done about equal parts walk hunting/ roading. I never leave a dog in the box walk hunting. When its me by myself I hunt 2 and a CD usually. Me with one man (with dogs) 2 to 3 depending. When I hunt with a group I bring just Jasper. Sometimes he's help sometimes he's lead....just depends on what dogs are there. I don't like leaving dogs in the box walk hunting...no sense in it to me. Roading/hood hunting....different story. |
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I wish everyone wld do they homework and wld only breed proven dogs and well bred dogs like Bob Owens,clue Anderson,bob cox etc..there wld be alot less culls..the problem is that most ppl have never really seen a top notch dog...when i started huntin i always wanted to breed my best dogs,they wld find me hogs,so i was like wth.,,but then i met this guy and i took him huntin,,hes dogs made my dogs look like trash ,,i decided to get rid of erything i had but my best dog,,went around and picked up some well bred yella pups and now im where i always wanted to be..i aint got time to experiment,,i rather take a short cut , cuz,true dog men like the ones listed above have already done all the experimenting that needs to b done
Well HS, not to argue or cut down on the dogs bred by the men you mentioned above because i know they bred good dogs BUT i personally dont want to take a short cut......i want to do it on my own, for me......i want to look back 30yrs down the road and say damn, i did pretty good, i bred, hunted and culled until my eyes crossed but now look at what I have, a yard full of sure enough true to the core hog dogs........maybe im in it for different reasons than some but when my day comes (hopefully not for a long time) i want people to remember me for the line of dogs I bred and raised...... I like it Justin! |
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