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« on: June 11, 2013, 06:20:29 pm » |
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What is a help dog
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Tim Riggins
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BIG BEN
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2013, 06:27:29 pm » |
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A dog that helps out  |
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hunt em hard, give em no excuses, and cull harder!!!!!
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2013, 06:37:14 pm » |
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Dog that hunts less than 100 yds out if any but is at the bay everytime. Thats my defintion everyone probly has there own
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2013, 06:44:02 pm » |
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It's a dog that has not figured out how to strike a hog before your lead dog.. SO it's a dog that will go to the bay to help bay the hog that your lead dog has struck, so its good to have help dogs there to take hits from the hog so your lead dog don't get hit all the time...lol
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charles
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2013, 06:48:49 pm » |
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A dog that helps hold a hog at bay or helps catch or helps out in any form or fashion of the hunt with an end result of a caught hog
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Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can!
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2013, 06:49:16 pm » |
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a cull  |
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Reuben
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2013, 06:49:58 pm » |
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a help dog can be a big help in catching hogs because he will help in stopping or catching a hog...is not a dependable strike dog but might stumble on a pig now and then...
in my yard he will be on the cull list and will be replaced as soon as a well bred pup steps up and starts striking and stopping hogs...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2013, 06:54:24 pm » |
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a cull X2. A dog that wont be at my house long. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2013, 06:57:17 pm » |
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My deffinition without bein a smartarse would be a dog that generally hunts short range, if at all and is a dog that will on occasion find a hog but normally just farts around until another dog finds a hog and then gets to the bay quick fast and in a hurry to help out......just my opinion of course.... Bein a smartarse though the term "help dog" is a nice way to say a cull.....simply a dog that can't get it done by itself, plain and simple. I don't care for them in my yard personally BUT i do know a couple guys that utilize them and do it rather well at that. One of the guys i hunt with quite often runs a pack of 4 dogs, 2 gyps and 2 males. The gyps are his allstars, they hunt their tails off and find him 99% of his hogs. He hunts these 2 gyps together and they hunt well, if they get on a hog that wont quite settle down he will send 1 of his males to them to help stop the hog or just to have a little more catch power at the bay. Both of his males we consider help dogs BUT his method works well for him and he catches hogs more often than not. Guess its all in how you want to go about catchin hogs. In my perfect world i would prefer 4 dogs independant of 1 another that will hunt solo but will honor each others bay......i ain't there yet but im getyin closer I |
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2013, 07:03:15 pm » |
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Yep... a cull.
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It's a dog that has not figured out how to strike a hog before your lead dog.. SO it's a dog that will go to the bay to help bay the hog that your lead dog has struck, so its good to have help dogs there to take hits from the hog so your lead dog don't get hit all the time...lol
While i do aknowledge that we all have our own opinions/deffinitions of what a help dog is i cant say that I or anyone I hunt with would agree with the statement that a "help is a dog that has not figured out how to strike a dog before your lead dog"......i have hunted with a countless number of helpdogs over the years that neither had the heart nor hunt to outstrike the main dog. To me the deffinition that i quoted from you is almost a spot on deffinition for a young started dog not a help dog and yes I do believe there is a huge difference......with age comes experience and with experience comes production more often than not. |
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"stupids in the water these days, they're gonna drink it anyway." - Chris Knight
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Y'all know I can't pass up a chance! Quoted from one of my earlier posts: The easiest way to explain my point of view...is to TRY and make sure we are all on the same page as far as definitions go. I used the www.merriam-Webster.com for my definitions. Some may argue otherwise but based off of pure definition...a pack ( 1.c.1 a number of individual components, 5.a1 a group of domesticated animals trained to hunt or run together) consist of a strike dog( the dog of a pack that customarily first closes with game) and 2 to 3 help (1. to give assistance or support) dogs. Some individuals will say they don't keep help dogs on their yard, they have some young dogs or some up and comers but no help dogs. Well....it is the rare occasion that a pack will divide the striking duties amongst themselves evenly. One dog will usually take the lead roll and be the primary dog to strike the game. He may be followed closely by another dog but by pure definition....any and every dog besides the lead dog serves in a helping roll and there is nothing wrong with that. All this being said....I wouldn't begin to put all help dogs in the same class. The guys that have GREAT lines (not 1 or 2 dogs out of a great lines), a yard full of good blood, will also usually have grade "A" help dogs. |
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papat
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the reson fore asking i see a lot on here fore sale
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Tim Riggins
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the reson fore asking i see a lot on here fore sale
all i can say is don't buy it |
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I wouldn't spend my money on a help dog I'd buy a young started dog that will go to a bay. At least then you have a chance of him making you a strike dog one day. I think though that some dogs won't ever be more than a help dog for one reason or another.
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justincorbell
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I wouldn't spend my money on a help dog I'd buy a young started dog that will go to a bay. At least then you have a chance of him making you a strike dog one day. I think though that some dogs won't ever be more than a help dog for one reason or another.
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"stupids in the water these days, they're gonna drink it anyway." - Chris Knight
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here is another way to look at it...if you take a 357 mag and one dog to the woods and you are confident that you will bring home the bacon you have a good hog dog...
if you take the same gun and take another dog to the woods and you feel like you are wasting your time then that dog is a cull or a me too dog...oops I meant to say help dog...
sometimes a good help dog can be what is needed to stop a hog pretty quick...might not strike a hog or will not hunt but will fly to a bay and that dog might be above average in keeping a hog from running...
just because a dog is good at finding a hog and sticking with it does not mean it is good at stopping a hog...but he will run a hog till it stops...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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Man I do all this talking about help dogs....just want to make sure....maybe some of the newer guys understand where I'm coming from. I've said plenty of times I don't mind help dogs and that ill keep them on my yard. That's a true statement...BUT...I will continue to try and improve the quality of dog I keep in my yard. I KNOW exactly what I want my dogs to be and while I work towards that I will use what I have. Eventually I will get to where I want to be, a number of dogs that fit my style perfectly...and still....even then....I will have dogs on my yard that I consider help dogs. These dogs could be someone else's number one dog or they may be considered a cull to another hunter. It's honestly all about what you want as an individual. One thing that won't change is what I consider a help dog. "Anything on the yard but the #1" |
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M Bennet
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Dam if he wont hunt out over a 100 yards hes a cull. Then most of my yard is yalls culls cause mine hunt off the hood.lol
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1lead dog an all the others are still learning our they have a reason they cant out shin so they are all
help dogs that cant out shine your lead dog . an that goes for started dogs too if they can't do the lead dogs job then they are just help dogs too!
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