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1lead dog an all the others are still learning our they have a reason they cant out shin so they are all
help dogs that cant out shine your lead dog . an that goes for started dogs too if they can't do the lead dogs job then they are just help dogs too!
But understand...it doesn't mean that everyone's 2nd or 3rd dog CAN'T take the lead if necessary. In my case...I don't actually know, lol. I've never hunted without my #1 so I can't say for sure. I honestly think my #2 could get the job done if I made her. That's one thing that we probably ALL need to do more....leave #1 at home sometimes and let someone else step up. It's happened many times....old faithful gets killed and everyone's lost for a few months. Probably better to give others the chance to lead when we can. Hard to do though  |
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justincorbell
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1lead dog an all the others are still learning our they have a reason they cant out shin so they are all
help dogs that cant out shine your lead dog . an that goes for started dogs too if they can't do the lead dogs job then they are just help dogs too!
Negative! How the heck are you gonna call a pup not even a year old a help dog?  ......its not that they can't they just havent yet.....a help dog is just that, its a DOG that wont ever be anything more than help at a bay ......hell if thats the case than my oldest and best in my yard is a help dog because he is helping my young dogs turn into solid dogs....... |
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1lead dog an all the others are still learning our they have a reason they cant out shin so they are all
help dogs that cant out shine your lead dog . an that goes for started dogs too if they can't do the lead dogs job then they are just help dogs too!
But understand...it doesn't mean that everyone's 2nd or 3rd dog CAN'T take the lead if necessary. In my case...I don't actually know, lol. I've never hunted without my #1 so I can't say for sure. I honestly think my #2 could get the job done if I made her. That's one thing that we probably ALL need to do more....leave #1 at home sometimes and let someone else step up. It's happened many times....old faithful gets killed and everyone's lost for a few months. Probably better to give others the chance to lead when we can. Hard to do though ya i give started dogs an pus the chance to shine if they cant prove there self's then they are just help if u have to drop a lead dog to find then all the others are help, im guessing its how u hunt an where u hunt! |
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Come to my house I have 4 help dogs. Lol. All 4 have and will find a hog. Not a one is a super star. I figure on most yards mine would be culls. One gyp will fly to a bay and has found her own hogs and finished them caught on ear. Another gyp hunts her tail off has found a few and finished them. Once stopped a fair size boar and kept it stopped till back up showed. One male is slow as Christmas. He has found hogs hogs but once the race starts he will fall to the rear fast. He is at bay when I get there and his mouth helps me find them because he won't catch and stay caught but keeps the back end lit up. My best dog has found hogs and will catch anything. He has passed hogs up at times that others hit. He has found hogs others passed. He is my fastest dog and if something gets going he is a streak headed to it. In a good bunch of dogs my dogs ain't much. When I hunt by myself they can do the job.
I guess my point is a help dog for some can be a strike for others. A dog that just hangs out till another dog does something isn't much but I guess if u run one good dog it does offer a god target for a hog when it stops.
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I've gotten a real bad taste lately for dogs that don't range out. I tried a dog for a few hunts that actually laid down and napped while bay was going on thirty yards away. I guarantee the worst thing for a good pup is dogs underfoot all the time.I hate walking a dog to pigs. I used to put up with it cause we still got pigs. I would rather start a dog by itself and lose a few hogs and get it in its b rain that its up him or her. the more independent dogs out actually looking for one the better any way you look at it. I dont know about help dogs but me too dogs are just about worthless in my opinion.
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if your gonna have help dogs they might as well be rcd.
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Well i love help dogs!!! I will always have 1or 2 yes my deffenition is the same a dog that does not strike or not to offten but gets to a bay on the double...now my reason for this is because i like my strike dog to stay back!! Loose bay and let the help dog do all the stopping and holding and with this methode ...i have yet to loose a good dog in 2y so it works for me .
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This is just my own experience with help dogs......
I think that most young dogs just starting out are help dogs until they learn the ropes. By that I mean that we usually send our pups out to hunt with an older more experienced dog. Until the pup learns what it is supposed to do in different situations, it helps the older dog. It should eventually be considered a strike dog or if not, then it would be considered a cull.
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You cant necessarily call a young dog a cull just cuz hes just helping lot of people dont realize if you want all your dogs to be good you uave to leave your main strike dog at home ever now and again this way it will give thwm the confidence and chance to find them on there own when a dog knows another dog will find the hogs they will allways be a help dog like i said unless you give them a chqnce to find there own.
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slimhogdog
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I've started just dumping out one dog on a track or in a block, i want EVERY dog i hunt to be able to go out strike and bay their own hog. Only when we get a race do i turn out another dog to "help" them. I find this way each dog learns it has to go out and find it's own hog.
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t.wilbanks
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I've never understood why a "good dog" or "lead dog" or "strike dog" needs help baying... But then again I've never seen a " jammed up 4 year old hog stopping help dog" ... |
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charles
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If u dont shoot over ur dogs n run a catch dog n u say u aint got or wont feed a help dog, then how do justify ur catch dogs? If them burn up the woods bay n hold any hog on the earth cant bay, hold n catch it by itself, then by some folks definition "its a cull n aint worth feedin" same goes for the catch dogs, nothing but a help dog
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If u dont shoot over ur dogs n run a catch dog n u say u aint got or wont feed a help dog, then how do justify ur catch dogs? If them burn up the woods bay n hold any hog on the earth cant bay, hold n catch it by itself, then by some folks definition "its a cull n aint worth feedin" same goes for the catch dogs, nothing but a help dog
Well for most people a catchdog had a job... A lot of folks don't want their strike dogs catching... Heck I wish mine would NEVER put their mouth on a hog... A catchdog is much more than a help dog... |
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charles
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U r very correct trent, bout some dont want their strike/bay dogs catchn, but i would rather all the curs to catch, limiting the chances of needn a cd, but its MY opinion, just like every1 else is allowed to have 1, that a dog that cant do it all, is a cull by definition from some. If a single bay dog cant hold the hog as good as havin 2 dogs, even though the single dog manages on its own, then the single dog is a cull according to some definitions of a cull. Same goes for the cd, if that 1 single catch dog cant lock the brakes on the hog n is takin for a ride or slung around n it takes 2 catch dogs to get it shut down completely, then the catch dog is a help/cull. Its playin symantics, but its still true in a fashion.
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I run a pair of help dogs/ me to dogs. I guess you could call them running cds when they get there 8 out of 10 times its a caught hog. They ranges out around 150 yards stay some what busy have found hogs, but they live to hear a bay start. Sure they may be culls dnt have a purpose on your yard but they suit me fine. And for me that's all I ask out of them I'm fine feeding them and they have a spot on my yard. Will I bread for this same style of dog dang straight I will but it will be for what they are solid helping muscle! I like to catch multiple hogs out of a sounder and tthis kinda dog does the trick for me. With out another mile race to get on another pig. We can catch 3 0r 4 pigs 30 and 40 yards a part at most.
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I run a pair of help dogs/ me to dogs. I guess you could call them running cds when they get there 8 out of 10 times its a caught hog. They ranges out around 150 yards stay some what busy have found hogs, but they live to hear a bay start. Sure they may be culls dnt have a purpose on your yard but they suit me fine. And for me that's all I ask out of them I'm fine feeding them and they have a spot on my yard. Will I bread for this same style of dog dang straight I will but it will be for what they are solid helping muscle! I like to catch multiple hogs out of a sounder and tthis kinda dog does the trick for me. With out another mile race to get on another pig. We can catch 3 0r 4 pigs 30 and 40 yards a part at most.
Excelent example big chris. Them "help" dogs AINT help dogs, they suite u n ur hunting style just fine n the end result is pork on the ground. In that aspect, they r not "helpdogs/culls"! they r suitable for u. A "help" dog aint neccesarily a cull, it could b a valuable asset to some. |
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I'm amazed at all the various definitions of a help dog... didn't realized it changed over the years. Young dogs aren't help dogs, they're on their to way to being either a hog dog... or a cull.  If you can't take a grown dog off of your yard and go find and bay a hog, by itself... you may need to take a hard look at your dogs. |
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justincorbell
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I'm amazed at all the various definitions of a help dog... didn't realized it changed over the years. Young dogs aren't help dogs, they're on their to way to being either a hog dog... or a cull. If you can't take a grown dog off of your yard and go find and bay a hog, by itself... you may need to take a hard look at your dogs. Never agreed with you more Mr. Mike, I said the same thing in my above post... |
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Acwells0808
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Mike....i like what you are saying but i can do that take my main dog and go find and bay a pig ...but why take the risk of getting him hurt??? When i can run him and 2help dogs that will stop a runner and are very good dogs to take the hits and hold the pig till my cd gets there ..so i leave the woods with my strike dog unharmed...i see alot of people on here that loose really good dogs and 9/10 are gritty ...i prefer mine to not touch a hog that way i know i am not dropping a high dollar dog on the ground that is going to be ripped to shreads worst thing that happens is my "help" dogs get hurt but everyone hunts diffrent i think people that say theses help dogs are culls need to hunt with some people that use and utilize these dogs and prefer to have them to hunt with...and if you call your culls help dogs well heck send them my way!!!;-)
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I'm confused at the statement, "two help dogs so they can take the hits." That makes absolutely no sense to me. Y'all make it sound like a football game with this and that, so I don't guess I've ever tried to plan a hog hunt like this where I've gotta make sure I've got bodyguards for my hog dogs |
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