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Mike....i like what you are saying but i can do that take my main dog and go find and bay a pig ...but why take the risk of getting him hurt??? When i can run him and 2help dogs that will stop a runner and are very good dogs to take the hits and hold the pig till my cd gets there ..so i leave the woods with my strike dog unharmed...i see alot of people on here that loose really good dogs and 9/10 are gritty ...i prefer mine to not touch a hog that way i know i am not dropping a high dollar dog on the ground that is going to be ripped to shreads worst thing that happens is my "help" dogs get hurt but everyone hunts diffrent i think people that say theses help dogs are culls need to hunt with some people that use and utilize these dogs and prefer to have them to hunt with...and if you call your culls help dogs well heck send them my way!!!;-)
Just a question not wanting to stir any pot! If your strike dog can find and hold the hogs long enough for help dog to get to them. Why do you need help dog? |
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As long as the owner is happy with the performance of the their dogs, why should they hav to take another look at them? Just cause it aint accepted in a persons yard dont means its a cull, as long as the owner is happy.
I guess if a person cant leave their home, go to work and at some point needs help, they r a cull. I guess if a person cant pull a turbine eng or palm tree a rotor system by them selves safely, they r a cull. Some times its acceptable to hav help and more times than not, help is needed in all species of life on earth. I guess every coyote is a cull since 1 yote cant take down a deer by itself but work as a pack to put meat on the ground, same for a wolf or any other pack animal.
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Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can!
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Okay first question what do you mean plan a hunt when your strike dog finds a pig it dont roll over and lay there it fights ...so you have help dogs to take the hits of stopping it .
No harm in asking ...usually my help dogs stay with my strike dog or close to him but either way before i send my cd in i want to make sure the hog is not going to bolt ..i have had this happen before my help dogs and you have turned the cd loose and the hog breaks and you wind up chaseing dogs pig so i like to let the help dogs get in there and me get closer then turn my cd loose....my help dogs dont catch they just bay and grab nuts or legs till it sits down hope that answered your questions
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As long as the owner is happy with the performance of the their dogs, why should they hav to take another look at them? Just cause it aint accepted in a persons yard dont means its a cull, as long as the owner is happy.
I guess if a person cant leave their home, go to work and at some point needs help, they r a cull. I guess if a person cant pull a turbine eng or palm tree a rotor system by them selves safely, they r a cull. Some times its acceptable to hav help and more times than not, help is needed in all species of life on earth. I guess every coyote is a cull since 1 yote cant take down a deer by itself but work as a pack to put meat on the ground, same for a wolf or any other pack animal.
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Just like government work.
It only takes one good guy to dig a hole. But 5 are hired as "helpers" and sit and watch.When the hole is dug everyone says "man look at that hole" and all six take the credit.
Usually one is doing all the work and the others are thought they are needed.
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Just like government work.
It only takes one good guy to dig a hole. But 5 are hired as "helpers" and sit and watch.When the hole is dug everyone says "man look at that hole" and all six take the credit.
Usually one is doing all the work and the others are thought they are needed.
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Okay first question what do you mean plan a hunt when your strike dog finds a pig it dont roll over and lay there it fights ...so you have help dogs to take the hits of stopping it .
No harm in asking ...usually my help dogs stay with my strike dog or close to him but either way before i send my cd in i want to make sure the hog is not going to bolt ..i have had this happen before my help dogs and you have turned the cd loose and the hog breaks and you wind up chaseing dogs pig so i like to let the help dogs get in there and me get closer then turn my cd loose....my help dogs dont catch they just bay and grab nuts or legs till it sits down hope that answered your questions
I honestly don't see the help dogs helping out in this situation at all, I see a busted bay. My find dog is doing everything he can to keep the hog bayed whether there is zero help dogs or 100 on the ground. |
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Help dogs are like Obama.. Ain't worth a crap but for some reason people still like em..  |
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Help dogs are like Obama.. Ain't worth a crap but for some reason people still like em.. How the heck can u disgrace even the chittiest dog by associating n comparing it with obuma? 1 chit eatin culled help dog is better than obama n his administration. |
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I guess who ever is feeding there cull help dogs want them on the feed bill. Why would any body want a dog that ranges out a 1 and 1/2 to bay up? Then here you go haven to go a bay. That's what you feed that's your right.I like my rough help dogs they suit me and do what I ask of them. Nothen more nothen less. They get done what needs to be done catch a hog. I don't have a lot of 10,000 acres spots so a good medium ranaged rough strike dog and a pair of rough help dogs is all I need and feed. Do you have to like them feed them or hunt behind, you sure don't... I love to! Maybe there culls in your eyes, but I catch hogs behind them. Sure I won't keep a dog that stays right at me feet I do like to see them stay busy out to 150 yards sometimes more sometimes less. But they better be flien to a bay or checking a dog that opens up. There trash broke so if they do come back it ain't a hog. They do find hogs, maybe there extremely short ranged strike dogs, to me there help dogs. They are what I like to run with a dog that does stretch out a little. Culls in your eyes good muscle in mine.
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I guess who ever is feeding there cull help dogs want them on the feed bill. Why would any body want a dog that ranges out a 1 and 1/2 to bay up? Then here you go haven to go a bay. That's what you feed that's your right.I like my rough help dogs they suit me and do what I ask of them. Nothen more nothen less. They get done what needs to be done catch a hog. I don't have a lot of 10,000 acres spots so a good medium ranaged rough strike dog and a pair of rough help dogs is all I need and feed. Do you have to like them feed them or hunt behind, you sure don't... I love to! Maybe there culls in your eyes, but I catch hogs behind them. Sure I won't keep a dog that stays right at me feet I do like to see them stay busy out to 150 yards sometimes more sometimes less. But they better be flien to a bay or checking a dog that opens up. There trash broke so if they do come back it ain't a hog. They do find hogs, maybe there extremely short ranged strike dogs, to me there help dogs. They are what I like to run with a dog that does stretch out a little. Culls in your eyes good muscle in mine.
Exactly. I personaly dont wanna go trompin a mile or 2 aftr 1 pig, when a short range cull can do the same. Like bug chrus said, we all aint 1000s of acres with a population of 10 hogs per sq ft. I guess i could say a 1 mile rangin dog is a cull since i wouldnt feed it bc i aint gonna chase it that far. Yaws long range dogs r culls just as my chit eatn short range dogs r culls but im happy with my chit eaters |
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i wouldn't catch many hogs if the dogs didn't run a hog over a mile or two. i can say this if a hog wants to run its going to run no matter what where i hunt. its so thick the hog could be out the backside and the bay dog not even no it till the hog is way ahead of it. fast dogs do no good in these thickets
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I guess who ever is feeding there cull help dogs want them on the feed bill. Why would any body want a dog that ranges out a 1 and 1/2 to bay up? Then here you go haven to go a bay. That's what you feed that's your right.I like my rough help dogs they suit me and do what I ask of them. Nothen more nothen less. They get done what needs to be done catch a hog. I don't have a lot of 10,000 acres spots so a good medium ranaged rough strike dog and a pair of rough help dogs is all I need and feed. Do you have to like them feed them or hunt behind, you sure don't... I love to! Maybe there culls in your eyes, but I catch hogs behind them. Sure I won't keep a dog that stays right at me feet I do like to see them stay busy out to 150 yards sometimes more sometimes less. But they better be flien to a bay or checking a dog that opens up. There trash broke so if they do come back it ain't a hog. They do find hogs, maybe there extremely short ranged strike dogs, to me there help dogs. They are what I like to run with a dog that does stretch out a little. Culls in your eyes good muscle in mine.
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Trent its no secret I don't have any kinda love for a cat dog. But I honestly have to say she has a male dog that came off a good mans yard that passed away. He has good range hunts hard plenty of grit. All in all her thunder dog isn't to bad for a double glassed eyed crapahoula! And honestly I m talking about harley, she has slowed way doen with some age as far as range and stayen busy in the woods. But she will be there everytime. I think a hard life of hunting is catching her she comes up a little lame here and there. But she just can't stand be left behind at the house and I can't stande to leave her. I guess I have a soft spot for her. She's given me her all. And that dang cat of cammies get out around 8 to 1000 yards but checks in enough I dnt mind hunting with him to bad.
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Okay first question what do you mean pl ;)an a hunt when your strike dog finds a pig it dont roll over and lay there it fights ...so you have help dogs to take the hits of stopping it .
No harm in asking ...usually my help dogs stay with my strike dog or close to him but either way before i send my cd in i want to make sure the hog is not going to bolt ..i have had this happen before my help dogs and you have turned the cd loose and the hog breaks and you wind up chaseing dogs pig so i like to let the help dogs get in there and me get closer then turn my cd loose....my help dogs dont catch they just bay and grab nuts or legs till it sits down hope that answered your questions
I honestly don't see the help dogs helping out in this situation at all, I see a busted bay. My find dog is doing everything he can to keep the hog bayed whether there is zero help dogs or 100 on the ground. Well you are more than welcome to hunt with me anytime ill show ya how it works |
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Just like government work.
It only takes one good guy to dig a hole. But 5 are hired as "helpers" and sit and watch.When the hole is dug everyone says "man look at that hole" and all six take the credit.
Usually one is doing all the work and the others are thought they are needed.
That might be true in some cases but in mine all dogs pull there own weight! In my pack if it was not for my cull..i mean help dogs the pigs would be miles cause my strike dog will stay the distance and do his best to keep it there but i better not get to a bay and him be holding on! Thats not the way i roll..i like to know i am not going to be looking for a strike dog every other month because its gritty and thinks its a cd ..wich its not!! His job is to find them my help dogs job is to set it down and bay it my cds job is to catch and hold it till i get there ...they know there jobs and do them perfect for me |
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Just like government work.
It only takes one good guy to dig a hole. But 5 are hired as "helpers" and sit and watch.When the hole is dug everyone says "man look at that hole" and all six take the credit.
Usually one is doing all the work and the others are thought they are needed.
That might be true in some cases but in mine all dogs pull there own weight! In my pack if it was not for my cull..i mean help dogs the pigs would be miles cause my strike dog will stay the distance and do his best to keep it there but i better not get to a bay and him be holding on! Thats not the way i roll..i like to know i am not going to be looking for a strike dog every other month because its gritty and thinks its a cd ..wich its not!! His job is to find them my help dogs job is to set it down and bay it my cds job is to catch and hold it till i get there ...they know there jobs and do them perfect for me How does the strike dog you have now compare to Tinley as far as when a hog breaks?? |
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dang where to start um, my lead dogs can do it there self but i don't like guessing where its going to end because that takes time an if u want to catch the hog, then u my want to us a so called help dog that stops them in a different ways for instance a help dog that has more herding skills that will try to get ahead of the hog like a cow dog dose so a bay can stand long enough to close the deal, an a help dog is just a dog that's helping your main lead dog bay and that's including pups, started dogs.. just some 2 cents
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Mike..... IMO - The definition of "Help Dog" Is acute. That being said.....regarding ability.....the spectrum is grand! A "Help Dog" can be anything from a dog that keeps you company till the first bark (not my preference) to a well seasoned dog that strikes its own. The common factor among ALL "help dogs" is that they must contribute to the pack.....in one way or another they should help you achieve your goal. This could be a dog that specializes in putting the breaks on a hog if at all possible. It could be a small framed dog that gets through briars quick. It could be a leggy dog that will suck up a runner on open ground. You could try and argue that an up and coming pup or a seasoned hunting dog that has or does strike hogs is not a help dog I guess but facts is facts....if the dog is not striking the majority of the hogs....he's just helping complete the job  |
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I got tinley on a trade for a horse ....a 700dolar horse i went hunting with the guy she found a pig she was loose and it broke one time and she went over a mile till it was bayed again i traded the guy started running her in my pack but she could not out strike my main dog nut so i ran her by herself she would help catch with rough dogs didnt like that about her and she would bark off and on when they broke did not like that either...as far as compare i wouldnt they both find pigs but there is a few thing i just dont care for as far as tinley goes ...my strike dog now has no flaws to me.
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