What Ida help dog

[justincorbell]

Mike.....

IMO - The definition of "Help Dog" Is acute. That being said.....regarding ability.....the spectrum is grand! A "Help Dog" can be anything from a dog that keeps you company till the first bark (not my preference) to a well seasoned dog that strikes its own. The common factor among ALL "help dogs" is that they must contribute to the pack.....in one way or another they should help you achieve your goal. This could be a dog that specializes in putting the breaks on a hog if at all possible. It could be a small framed dog that gets through briars quick. It could be a leggy dog that will suck up a runner on open ground.

You could try and argue that an up and coming pup or a seasoned hunting dog that has or does strike hogs is not a help dog I guess but facts is facts....if the dog is not striking the majority of the hogs....he's just helping complete the job 

Touche Kevin!  i guess techinally a help dog is ANY and EVERY dog that ever gets to the bay second lol because by deffinition it is there to assist the first dog lol

[BA-IV]

When did hog hunting start using the dictionary and get technical?

You've got hog dogs, and then you've got culls...if you think you've got a good dog, hunt with a few people whose suppose to have good dogs and then pass judgement.  Here's a tip though, if it's a hog dog, people will brag on it for you, but if you are the only one crowing about your dog, well maybe it ain't.

[KevinN]

Down Ben! Down! 

I just think "Help Dog" has a negative vibe to it when that's not always the case.

I don't think there's a person on this site that wouldn't love to have nothing but "Hog Dogs" (that fit their style of hunting)

You cant just pick one up around the corner. Well, sometimes you can....but you get my point. It just ain't that easy.

That don't mean you can't make do with what you have while you have to.....and still catch hogs to boot!

Just have a plan and keep moving forward....that's the objective.

[justincorbell]

When did hog hunting start using the dictionary and get technical?

You've got hog dogs, and then you've got culls...if you think you've got a good dog, hunt with a few people whose suppose to have good dogs and then pass judgement.  Here's a tip though, if it's a hog dog, people will brag on it for you, but if you are the only one crowing about your dog, well maybe it ain't.

I like it!

[t.wilbanks]

I got tinley on a trade for a horse ....a 700dolar horse i went hunting with the guy she found a pig she was loose and it broke one time and she went  over a mile till it was bayed again i traded the guy started running her in my pack but she could not out strike my main dog nut so i ran her by herself she would help catch with rough dogs didnt like that about her and she would bark off and on when they broke did not like that either...as far as compare i wouldnt they both find pigs but there is a few thing i just dont care for as far as tinley goes ...my strike dog now has no flaws to me.

Here is what I was trying to get at...

Tinley will find hogs, but to me she is a cull and here's why...

That dog is slower than molasses when a hog breaks... Being half a mile behind a hog and boohooing on track like a coon dog does not work for me...

Does she find hogs- Yes
Does she have bottom- Yes
But her track speed just won't cut it around here..
I can definately see why you would HAVE to run some other kind of dog with her....

Not downing you for selling him the dog in any way, I think he got what he was looking for...
But like said, every one has their style and likes/dislikes...

[charles]

 everybody is entitled to their own opinion, just like everybody elses dog, they will all make a good pot of stir fried kagogi n rice. Them long range culls will hav lots of lean meat that would make a tasty dinner bowl.

[Acwells0808]

Trent...agree with ya but she is close to 7y old she aient no spring chicken and you could tell before i got her she had been rode hard and put up wet ...shes a good dog but yes she does bark behind a pig one thing i cant stand about her  but i told him that ....but thanks for not downing her i didnt lie to him at least ..wich is getting pretty popular these days

[chads7376]

When did hog hunting start using the dictionary and get technical?

You've got hog dogs, and then you've got culls...if you think you've got a good dog, hunt with a few people whose suppose to have good dogs and then pass judgement.  Here's a tip though, if it's a hog dog, people will brag on it for you, but if you are the only one crowing about your dog, well maybe it ain't.

I like it!

X2    The 2nd part is about as real as it gets

[BIG CHRIS]

Who has the right to call another mans dog a cull? Doesn't matter what someone else thinks about another mans dog. Cause if that's the case we all better start culling dogs, because somewhere someone else is gonna think your #q deserves a good casse of lead poisen. I'm just goen off what some of you guys are sayen on this one. That's my opinion. Who ever is running a dog that won't put any teeth on a hog is a cull in my book. If won't help catch cull it. If it won't catch # 100lb sow its a cull. I'm not gonna tell anybody there dog is a cull simple fact is I dnt feed it! Who am I to say so...

[BA-IV]

I don't think anyone is talking about anyone's dog in particular in this thread.  A hog dog produces hogs and I'll always have a spot on my yard for a dog like this whether pink, purple, Polk a dotted, short range, long range, rough, or loose, a hog dog will produce hogs on a consistent basis.

Now if you own the dog and you are calling it a help dog, then yes, I'm sorry, I'll pass judgement and go ahead and say I'd cull it. But hey that's my opinion, no need to get beside yourself about it.

[justincorbell]

When did hog hunting start using the dictionary and get technical?

You've got hog dogs, and then you've got culls...if you think you've got a good dog, hunt with a few people whose suppose to have good dogs and then pass judgement.  Here's a tip though, if it's a hog dog, people will brag on it for you, but if you are the only one crowing about your dog, well maybe it ain't.

.............day before yesterday, you musta not read this weeks "interenet hog doggers" newsletter ben 

[justincorbell]

I don't think anyone is talking about anyone's dog in particular in this thread.  A hog dog produces hogs and I'll always have a spot on my yard for a dog like this whether pink, purple, Polk a dotted, short range, long range, rough, or loose, a hog dog will produce hogs on a consistent basis.

Now if you own the dog and you are calling it a help dog, then yes, I'm sorry, I'll pass judgement and go ahead and say I'd cull it. But hey that's my opinion, no need to get beside yourself about it.

I can live with pink and purple BUT polk a dotted is where I draw the line! 

[Mike]

I don't think anyone is talking about anyone's dog in particular in this thread.  A hog dog produces hogs and I'll always have a spot on my yard for a dog like this whether pink, purple, Polk a dotted, short range, long range, rough, or loose, a hog dog will produce hogs on a consistent basis.

Now if you own the dog and you are calling it a help dog, then yes, I'm sorry, I'll pass judgement and go ahead and say I'd cull it. But hey that's my opinion, no need to get beside yourself about it.

Ben hit the nail on the head right there.

Kevin, I guess you can make up your own definition, but that's not what a help dog is. A help dog is a dog with zero hunt and finding ability that is sent to a bay, or race, to help bay the hog. That's been common knowledge as far back as I can remember.
 

[justincorbell]

I don't think anyone is talking about anyone's dog in particular in this thread.  A hog dog produces hogs and I'll always have a spot on my yard for a dog like this whether pink, purple, Polk a dotted, short range, long range, rough, or loose, a hog dog will produce hogs on a consistent basis.

Now if you own the dog and you are calling it a help dog, then yes, I'm sorry, I'll pass judgement and go ahead and say I'd cull it. But hey that's my opinion, no need to get beside yourself about it.

Ben hit the nail on the head right there.

Kevin, I guess you can make up your own definition, but that's not what a help dog is. A help dog is a dog with zero hunt and finding ability that is sent to a bay, or race, to help bay the hog. That's been common knowledge as far back as I can remember.
 

not to be the guy to agree just to agree but I agree  ........Like I said in my earlier post about my buddy that uses help dogs.....they RARELY hunt or find hogs for him but thats not what he keeps em around for, he knows they ain't strike dogs, they are there for 1 purpose and thats to shag ass to the bay and HELP the strike dog...... I have only been doing this for 10 or so years but that has been in essence what a help dog is as long as I can remember.....

[reatj81]

Kevin, I guess you can make up your own definition, but that's not what a help dog is. A help dog is a dog with zero hunt and finding ability that is sent to a bay, or race, to help bay the hog. That's been common knowledge as far back as I can remember.
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I agree to add to this I don't feed help dogs.  I always have some young dogs and I don't want any excuses for them to hang around and not be out getting into something!   I would rather them be out trashing than under my feet..... A dog that doesn't hunt encourages a pup to pick up the same lazy behavior.   I would rather a pup be out trashing and not make it to a bay, than be sitting around waiting on someone else to do his job, then show up and say me too!

[hillbilly]

Kevin, I guess you can make up your own definition, but that's not what a help dog is. A help dog is a dog with zero hunt and finding ability that is sent to a bay, or race, to help bay the hog. That's been common knowledge as far back as I can remember.

I agree to add to this I don't feed help dogs.  I always have some young dogs and I don't want any excuses for them to hang around and not be out getting into something!   I would rather them be out trashing than under my feet..... A dog that doesn't hunt encourages a pup to pick up the same lazy behavior.   I would rather a pup be out trashing and not make it to a bay, than be sitting around waiting on someone else to do his job, then show up and say me too!
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I agree help dogs can ruin a good pup

[t.wilbanks]

Trent...agree with ya but she is close to 7y old she aient no spring chicken and you could tell before i got her she had been rode hard and put up wet ...shes a good dog but yes she does bark behind a pig one thing i cant stand about her  but i told him that ....but thanks for not downing her i didnt lie to him at least ..wich is getting pretty popular these days

I see a dog like her or big Chris' Harley dog about the same... Harley may be considered more of a help dog now, but that's due to age and hard hunting, not because they just never flat out never was worth a crap...

But I would still rather run them with a dog that has the ability to find their on too...

[Reuben]

I don't think anyone is talking about anyone's dog in particular in this thread.  A hog dog produces hogs and I'll always have a spot on my yard for a dog like this whether pink, purple, Polk a dotted, short range, long range, rough, or loose, a hog dog will produce hogs on a consistent basis.

Now if you own the dog and you are calling it a help dog, then yes, I'm sorry, I'll pass judgement and go ahead and say I'd cull it. But hey that's my opinion, no need to get beside yourself about it.

Ben hit the nail on the head right there.

Kevin, I guess you can make up your own definition, but that's not what a help dog is. A help dog is a dog with zero hunt and finding ability that is sent to a bay, or race, to help bay the hog. That's been common knowledge as far back as I can remember.
 

X2 on what mike said...but will add that some me too or help dogs appear to be hunting but are only running with the strike dog...

[KevinN]

Alright then! Doesn't really matter anyway I guess. One person will see a dog and call it one thing and another might call it something else.

One mans trash and what not....

[reatj81]

If your happy and catching hogs I'm happy for you!   Keep it up and have fun that's what it's all about!  Being out in nature having fun, building life long experiences and friends, in the great outdoors.