RIP SAM/Pit Bull?

[txsteve85]

Just to so in clear..I'm talking bout game bred pits we know that's different story.
I'm talking bout the average out that little johnny picks up from the pound.
Ill cull them because I'm raising hog dogs not dog fighting stock.
The majority of people hunters and non hunters have bulldogs.
I live in the city and people walk there dogs on side walk in front of my house and 6 out of 10 are bulldogs

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Some female bull dogs are more aggressive than males. I have two of the best tempered male bull dogs that my little girls play with. But I will never trust them totally, they are still bull dogs that can snap at any time. Be cautious and be smart about every situation. Just my 3 1/2 cents.

Dog aggression in bulldogs is not worse in one sex than the other. Dog aggression is dog aggression period.

No, they do not just "snap" at any time. That falls into the same myths that "pit bulls brains never stop growing, and when their brain gets too big, it swells, causing them to 'snap' and go crazy."

I'm sorry, but I cannot let comments like these go without speaking up. I am constantly having to fight legislations proposed by bulldog haters that say the same types of falsehoods that are trying to have the breed eliminated.

Also, dog aggression and people aggression are two totally different things, yet I see a lot of folks lumping the two together quite often.

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Also, as far as shelter dogs go, you have NO idea what the genetics are behind any dog picked up at the shelter. That dog could be an ADBA registered dog for all you know, or, it could be 1/8 german shepherd. Completely unknown. A bulldog of any type should be treated with the same standards. Hell, my mother in law has a blue 'Am Staff' type dog....she isn't "game bred" (a term thrown around quite loosely nowadays), but if given the chance, she will do her darndest to grab another dog up.

"Game bred" or not, a bulldog is a bulldog. Some are of higher caliber than others, but all come from similar genetics. I'm sure that 99% of those that own bulldogs right now don't own them for 'fighting' purposes. That's beside the point. Their genetics are what they are. I can go pick up a beagle from someone even if I don't want him for running rabbits, but I bet if given the chance, he'll still run rabbits.

 

[jon]

Rip Sam sorry for ur loss...
What if the bulldog got into the other dogs pen going to the coons and the other dog is the one that took the first bite? Either way bulldog shouldn't have gotten out but I don't see why everyone points the finger at the bulldog... there not the only kind of dog that fights with other dogs... just wanted to get my opinion out there but I am sorry for ur loss

[Scott]

I agree with the Mrs, I'll also say that no dog of any breed should be left unattended with a child.

Just to so in clear..I'm talking bout game bred pits we know that's different story.
I'm talking bout the average out that little johnny picks up from the pound.
Ill cull them because I'm raising hog dogs not dog fighting stock.
The majority of people hunters and non hunters have bulldogs.
I live in the city and people walk there dogs on side walk in front of my house and 6 out of 10 are bulldogs

I understand where you are coming from...I just see it a little different. I know the pound is a popular place for some to find a "bulldog" (something else I can't quite understand). I can't agree that the majority of people have bulldogs, simply because there's no way to prove that it is a fact. How do you know that 60% of those dogs walking in front of your house are bulldogs?

[dodgegirl]

And THIS kind of thing is what I was JUST talking about in another bulldog thread.

For all the folks saying they shot a bulldog because it killed another dog.....more power to you all in all, y'all do what y'all feel fit on your own yard....BUT....how can you fault a dog that did something selective genetic breeding from the past told it to do? If these dogs are contained properly, things like that shouldn't occur! That'd be like me shooting my Staghound because I didn't contain her properly and she got out and went into my rabbit pen and killed all my rabbits!

Owning a bulldog = A whole 'nother level of responsibility, and a big part of that is proper containment!

Bulldogs are not out of control beasts, but they DO need to be properly contained, especially when not working.

Owning a bulldog is taking a risk as far as dog aggression. Bottom line, if you don't want to take that risk, do not, and I repeat, do not own one!

Amen! Bulldogs ain't for everyone. In my opinion those who trust their bulldogs 100% basically set their dogs up for failure. I say this because they start to think ther bulldog is an average dog and put the dog in a situation and when it reacts in a bad way they say " oh I had a great handle on my dog, I can't believe my dog did this"

[Judge peel]

This topic close to me cuz I have had these dogs my entire life and have been attack by one. That being said there many dog more aggressive than pits of any line or style mixed or not only different is that bull dog where bred to stop hold and or kill. Once there prey drive is triggered it is kill or die this was the way they brought to be you can't stop that behavior you can only manage it I have had many of these dog the best mannered one will still kill when you don't expect it to all bull dog owners just be safe with these dog and yes I am pro pit

[justincorbell]

I agree with the Mrs, I'll also say that no dog of any breed should be left unattended with a child.

Just to so in clear..I'm talking bout game bred pits we know that's different story.
I'm talking bout the average out that little johnny picks up from the pound.
Ill cull them because I'm raising hog dogs not dog fighting stock.
The majority of people hunters and non hunters have bulldogs.
I live in the city and people walk there dogs on side walk in front of my house and 6 out of 10 are bulldogs

I understand where you are coming from...I just see it a little different. I know the pound is a popular place for some to find a "bulldog" (something else I can't quite understand). I can't agree that the majority of people have bulldogs, simply because there's no way to prove that it is a fact. How do you know that 60% of those dogs walking in front of your house are bulldogs?

Mind explaining a bit about what I have hi-lighted? Some people (including myself) don't care to wait over a year to raise cd pups, I do have one now that I am raising but I normally don't raise them, I pick em up already grown for next to nothing. The CD I have been using for almost 2 years now was found wandering down the side of the road in a not so good part of town and passed along to me, she has ended up being a GREAT dog in every aspect, had I not given her the chance we would have missed out on one of the best mannered dogs we own.  I have owned more than a couple cd's I got from the pound and never had a problem with em, I guess it goes back to some people being on the other side of the pet/ hunting tool line than myself........ if I want a house dog/ pet I would buy and raise a lab puppy.

 I personally have had great luck with pound bulldogs, some dogs just need a second chance.... I can honestly say that out of all bulldogs that have come into my possession as grown dogs only 1 has not made the grade and his problem had nothing to do with fighting other dogs, he just simply didn't care to catch a hog. For what I use a cd for I don't need to go through months and months of training, I simply need to make sure that he is good around people, is going to go to the bay from 40-80yds, catch and hold the hog and only the hog and not act a fool, thats about it. You would be surprised how well some of these dogs have worked for us. At one time myself and my main hunting buddy had 2 uncut male bulldogs that would follow us on horseback and would go to a bay on command, we caught TONS of hogs with those two dogs and never had so much as 1 altercation with them and and other dogs.....care to guess where they both came from? Not trying to start an arguement at all, I would just like to know why you are against pound dogs. I know of a more than a onet pretty well known and respected hoghunter / dogman that does it the same way and have for years and years with success.

[justincorbell]

Sorry for hi jackin the thread, maybe we should start a new thread for this topic....??

[Easttex91]

I don't think the problem is that a bulldog is more likely to "snap" than any other dog hell every cur I've had will scrap with the best of them if he gets irritated enough. The problem is that when a bulldog does get after another dog he's a lot stronger and don't have any quit in him

[wine6978]

To the ladies and gentleman that are preaching hard core about not everyone should own a bulldog and whatnot... I used to be the same way, someone would post on here about a dog got off a chain or out of a kennel and killed another, and I would sit behind this computer screen (not owning dogs too long) and call them dumb or say they need to control their dogs better... But guess what you own dogs long enough and keep enough dogs on a yard stuff is going to happen... one day a dog will slip a collar, or in my case they will rip the door off of a perfectly good preifert kennel. And when that happens and I have a dog running loose that will kill another dog just because it has been "bred" into them, that is the last day that dog lives. Owning a dog that I know will kill if given the chance is dumb as hell and asking for trouble... Preach all you want about controlling your dogs better or better restraining them. Have 15 dogs long enough and one will get loose... Its just gonna happen. It sucks when you have to learn it the hard way... But my bulldogs are now completely separated from the curs, chained and kenneled!!!

Sorry about your dog man. I was there not 6 months ago... It really sucks!

[Scott]

And when that happens and I have a dog running loose that will kill another dog just because it has been "bred" into them, that is the last day that dog lives. Owning a dog that I know will kill if given the chance is dumb as hell and asking for trouble...

So, do you own bulldogs?

[wine6978]

I had three before the incident... now I have just one. I do not know if the 1 I have now will kill... He probably would of given the chance, and if I see any sign from him what so ever he eats dirt.

[wine6978]

"Why anyone would own a bulldog and then be quick to cull it for animal aggression is difficult for me to understand."

This is what I am talking about... I might go through 50 pits/bulldogs before I find the right one, but they won't all have that aggression. SO ya I am going to cull every single one that shows it. The one I have now has shown 0 aggression, but if he does then he will be gotten rid of.

[Easttex91]

I wonder how many of these bulldogs that get culled aren't even the ones that start the fights?

[justincorbell]

hey guys if ya'll don't mind lets move thise discussion over to the "pound dogs" thread. The OP posted up about a good dog he lost and we are hi-jacking the hell out of his thread  

[Scott]

Then my question to you (wine) is why do you own a bulldog?

Would you put a shock collar on a hound because he was open on track and you want silent dogs?

[wine6978]

10-4 My responses will be there.

[txsteve85]

Sorry we hijacked this thread and sorry for your loss.

[mattups]

If the cur was tougher and the pit was weaker you could have had  one less catch dog  on your yard. I have 10 acres of land then 10 more between my other neighbor. So a total of 30 acres. My 2 dogs in kennel breeding. My neighbors dog leaves their 10. Crosses other neighbors 10 then comes on my 10 breaks into my kennel to try to breed my female .  Well my male won. But it could have went the other way. Sorry for your loss.