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[leonriverboy]

I am a certified criminal defense attorney, i have practiced law in Texas for 15 years.  I see these same situations on a daily basis and it makes me sick. COPS ARE OUT OF CONTROL. So you are saying that a citizen does not have a right to be on a public street! 

[S_J_KENNELS]

Coming from a LEO perspective....without knowing what was being said and exactly what was going on I can only assume and we all g know what that stands for LOL. However if the guy was causing a disturbance during an investigation that is grounds for arrest...the officers could have felt that if he was inciting the surrounding bystanders, and his behavior was getting out of hand then by all means arrest him. I have taken people to jail for similar incidents....

As to the dog I support the officers decision to shoot if he felt it necessary HOWEVER I think I would have tased him first before drawing my weapon...bad owner bad position for the dog.

[cantexduck]

There was a stand off at the house. Armed suspect. Guy didn't listen to police to vacate area then ran his mouth. I do not know the thoughts going through the officers heads so I can not comment. I do know pepper spray is not a good deterrent to many dogs. Listen to the police , bottom line.

Nazi Germany ? Really ? You must live in a really bad area because I have yet to hear of that.

[Whistler]

I think this was handled badly by all parties.  What I don't understand is when the dog jumped out of the car if he wanted to he would have ran straight to someone and tried to defend his owner.  There were atleast two times when the cops reached for the dog and he kinda backed away when he could have just snapped at them.  When the last cop briskly walks up and pressures the dog the dog does snap but is not lunging at the cop he is already back on the ground by the time the cop shoots him.  I just feel like if the cops would have let him the owner easily could have got his dog calmed down and placed somewhere safely out of the way.  And if your gonna shoot anything kill it fast.  Good lord he shot the dog several times and then just backed up to watch it sieze up and die.  Just put it out of his misery.  

[S_J_KENNELS]

I am a certified criminal defense attorney, i have practiced law in Texas for 15 years.  I see these same situations on a daily basis and it makes me sick. COPS ARE OUT OF CONTROL. So you are saying that a citizen does not have a right to be on a public street! 

So your saying WITHOUT knowing full details of he incident the cops are 100% percent in the wrong??? With out KNOWING what was said/done NONE of us know what was TRUELY GOING ON!!

As far as Cops being out of control well there are bad apples every where attorney's included that are out of control.

[JRyanS]

If those officers fill that the man was distracting the investigation from themselves or other officers they can arrest for obstruction. Dont play victim, that guy new what he was doing, thats why he immediately turned around and didn't argue. Besides theses cops that are out of control are keeping food on your table so, your welcome. Slow down and Drive Safely!

[JRyanS]

I think this was handled badly by all parties.  What I don't understand is when the dog jumped out of the car if he wanted to he would have ran straight to someone and tried to defend his owner.  There were atleast two times when the cops reached for the dog and he kinda backed away when he could have just snapped at them.  When the last cop briskly walks up and pressures the dog the dog does snap but is not lunging at the cop he is already back on the ground by the time the cop shoots him.  I just feel like if the cops would have let him the owner easily could have got his dog calmed down and placed somewhere safely out of the way.  And if your gonna shoot anything kill it fast.  Good lord he shot the dog several times and then just backed up to watch it sieze up and die.  Just put it out of his misery.  

I understand what you are saying and agree to an extent. With that said, you cannot dictate a tame or wild animals aggression or action the first time you've ever seen the animal in question. Secondly, you only shoot as many rounds as necessary to stop the aggressor. Especially in public. I agree that they should have tried OC spray or something but I dont know what was going through there minds either. Good post Whistler.

[S_J_KENNELS]

If those officers fill that the man was distracting the investigation from themselves or other officers they can arrest for obstruction. Dont play victim, that guy new what he was doing, thats why he immediately turned around and didn't argue. Besides theses cops that are out of control are keeping food on your table so, your welcome. Slow down and Drive Safely!

LIKE.... lol

[Whistler]

I think this was handled badly by all parties.  What I don't understand is when the dog jumped out of the car if he wanted to he would have ran straight to someone and tried to defend his owner.  There were atleast two times when the cops reached for the dog and he kinda backed away when he could have just snapped at them.  When the last cop briskly walks up and pressures the dog the dog does snap but is not lunging at the cop he is already back on the ground by the time the cop shoots him.  I just feel like if the cops would have let him the owner easily could have got his dog calmed down and placed somewhere safely out of the way.  And if your gonna shoot anything kill it fast.  Good lord he shot the dog several times and then just backed up to watch it sieze up and die.  Just put it out of his misery. 

I understand what you are saying and agree to an extent. With that said, you cannot dictate a tame or wild animals aggression or action the first time you've ever seen the animal in question. Secondly, you only shoot as many rounds as necessary to stop the aggressor. Especially in public. I agree that they should have tried OC spray or something but I dont know what was going through there minds either. Good post Whistler.

That makes sense what you said about shooting in public.  I am sure the officer didn't go around the station bragging on what he had done.  If he was a dog owner I am sure he was very sad.  I get that he felt threatened and was trying to take care of himself and probably just went with his first gut reaction.  Just an all around crappy situation.

[Easttex91]

I don't know what the guy said but it's his right to film the cops they're not allowed to stop you from doing so. But I do know if I'm holding a gun Fido isn't gonna bite me.

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

We couldn't hear what words were exchanged between LEOs and dog owner, so we can only speculate there.
As for the dog situation, the owner looked very distraught as he witnessed his dog shot in front of his face, which was very sad, but ultimately he put the dog in a risky situation in the first place. Even when he put the dog back into his car because he knew he was about to be arrested, he didn't bother to roll his windows up to where he couldn't jump out. Hell lord only knows what woulda happened to the dog even if he did have him secured in the car once he was arrested. ACO's would have been called and the dog would have been impounded at the shelter, probably declared 'dangerous' in the process due to defensive behavior, and the fact that his breed works against him.
Sad situation for the dog for sure. He was acting on instinct, trying to come to the defense of his owner.

[hoghunter71409]

Ok, so you are a police officer that wants to do his/her job everyday and protect your community.  At the end of the day you want to go home in one piece.  So now put yourself in the officer's situation.  They aprehended a person, for some reason that is not clear.  While apprehending the person, a large breed dog tends to jump at you and all of a sudden you are threatened.  What are you going to do.  Fight with the dog?  Let him bite you; I mean you want to go home at the end of the day in one piece.

I am not a lawman, but I think officers have some level of self defense to help protect them against other humans, and then they have second and third levels of defense.  Are officers trained themselves to defend themselves again large breed dogs, probably not.

I don't know what I would have done in that situation.  It is easy to say right from wrong and say what I would do sitting behind this computer screen.  I feel bad for the dog, he was trying to protect his owner, nothing wrong with that and I think the only person to blame is the dog's owner.

[TexasHogDogs]

Who knows what was said but if the man was so much in the wrong about the video why didn't the cops come over sooner confront him and tell him to leave are stop the video.  Then if he did not do what they ask then arrest him instead of just letting him do it for so long then all the sudden come over and throw him in cuffs.  Am sure the guy with the video was a prick Mr Bad ya know and as most the time the innocent dog pays the price for some dumb prick owner !

 I will call a apple for a apple don't make no difference to me and Am all over the cops most the time but  from what I can see that was handled piss poor and sure not professional by the boys in blue  !  Just because you wear a badge don't make you right all the time and a saint !   Does that mean the owner of the dog was right no it don't it just means it was handled piss poor and the dog paid the price !

[RL]

I listened to a copy that had sound.  The only thing I heard the guy say was "that's a civil rights violation" as he went to put his dog in the car.  Prior to that he wasn't saying anything and the guys who filmed it all were commenting that the police were annoyed that he was filming.  As they walked up he wasn't saying anything and the female officer told him to turn around, which he complied with.  She then handcuffed him.

The only provocation I saw was that he was filming.  Clearly his legal right to do so.  I would.  He was not within any perimeter barrier.

I think this was in LA. 

It will be interesting to follow this story and see the resolution.  That should be easy since this is on several national newswires.

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

I was wondering where this was....I'm going to look it up....

[Reuben]

All 3 of them (cops & the dog owner) were in the wrong in my opinion. the dog owner was more than likely running his mouth, because there were at least 3 people videoing and he was the only one they messed with. regardless of what the dog owner was saying (unless he was threatening them) he should not have been placed in handcuffs right off the bat. bottom line is, if you'll treat the "law" with respect - most times they'll treat you with respect... 

x2...I can't say for sure if the cops were in the wrong or not but...they should have given that man a chance to shut up and go home...after that if he didn't follow those instructions...then it should have been handcuffs at that time...it seems that the cops jumped the gun...

[RL]

they should have given that man a chance to shut up and go home...after that if he didn't follow those instructions...then it should have been handcuffs at that time...

Really?  I have the right to speak.  If I am not interfering with the investigation then I see not why I have to "shut up".  I certainly have the right to be on the street unless it has been cordoned off.  If so, show me where that is and I will stand there.  Apparently, it couldn't have been more than 50' because this whole incident was filmed.  Follow instructions?  Not if I am doing nothing illegal.

Just because a cop is annoyed by being filmed  ...  tough.  In the world today with all the smart phones, they are pushing water up a hill trying to stop law abiding citizens from filming their activities.

[Reuben]

I just don't think that people on the street should badger or cuss the cops when they are trying to do their job...but there is a fine line...we should be able to film the cops doing there job anytime any where as long as we are not being disrespectful and not interfering with what they need to do...

[hillbilly]

They will probably lose their jobs. I would have shot the dog myself if it was coming at me like that.

[M Bennet]

its a shame the dog lost his life for his owner being stpid, should of had a handle on the dog.