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J Carroll
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« on: August 14, 2013, 04:50:33 pm » |
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IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? IF SO, WHAT IS IT? ALL OUR DOGS STRIKE AND BAY. JUST SEE THEM REFERENCED BOTH WAYS, SO I'M CURIOUS. THANKS
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justincorbell
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2013, 06:19:39 pm » |
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To me they are 1 in the same but deffinitions on this site vary so you will get different answers across the board.
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"stupids in the water these days, they're gonna drink it anyway." - Chris Knight
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hillbilly
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2013, 07:17:48 pm » |
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they strike the hog then bay the hog
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KevinN
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2013, 07:41:51 pm » |
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Bay dog - doesn't strike on a regular basis, not a RCD, not a CD...... What does that leave?  Come on...Come on....  |
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"Let's talk some philosophy"
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t.wilbanks
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2013, 08:07:48 pm » |
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Bay dog - doesn't strike on a regular basis, not a RCD, not a CD...... What does that leave? Come on...Come on.... CULL  |
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KevinN
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2013, 08:11:37 pm » |
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Bay dog - doesn't strike on a regular basis, not a RCD, not a CD...... What does that leave? Come on...Come on.... CULL Hahahaha!!!!!!! Come on...say it! |
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BIG BEN
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2013, 08:12:16 pm » |
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Bay dog - doesn't strike on a regular basis, not a RCD, not a CD...... What does that leave? Come on...Come on.... CULL X2 |
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hunt em hard, give em no excuses, and cull harder!!!!!
"Rather have a sister in a whore house than spots on a dog"
"Pretty is as pretty does"- BigO
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Reuben
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2013, 08:20:29 pm » |
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once I saw a 10000 dollar "bay" dog that was awesome and a top contender at uncle earls the first or second year when they started up...but that dog couldn't sniff out his own butt if his life depended on it much less "strike" a hog in the woods... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2013, 08:55:15 pm » |
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once I saw a 10000 dollar "bay" dog that was awesome and a top contender at uncle earls the first or second year when they started up...but that dog couldn't sniff out his own butt if his life depended on it much less "strike" a hog in the woods... He's worth every penny to if you are in the bay pen scene and he can win you your money back. In the woods he's worth less then what it takes to cull him. |
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The Old Man
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2013, 10:24:08 pm » |
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When a hound opens on a track he has struck if he is good at it and can make it go he is a strike dog. Cur dogs "Find" making a good one a Find dog they both bay game on the ground making them baydogs. Old Fashioned Lingo 101.
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Shotgun wg
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2013, 07:37:24 am » |
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When a hound opens on a track he has struck if he is good at it and can make it go he is a strike dog. Cur dogs "Find" making a good one a Find dog they both bay game on the ground making them baydogs. Old Fashioned Lingo 101.
When I was coming up a lead dog was the one that would lead the race. He might not be the strike dog (jump dog) but he always ended up out front. This was in hounds. |
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Reuben
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2013, 08:32:52 am » |
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a "STRIKE DOG" is a dog that hunts, strikes, and bays hogs...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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Coady Curbow
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2013, 10:03:27 am » |
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a "STRIKE DOG" is a dog that hunts, strikes, and bays hogs...
+1. If he don't do all three of these things at a high level, he ain't a strike dog in my opinion. |
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t.wilbanks
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 10:22:40 am » |
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Boy the money I could make selling dogs to poachers that will find hogs but not bay... |
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hoghunter71409
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2013, 10:29:36 am » |
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All this new age terminology cracks me up. I was with a buddy one day that has been running dogs for a couple years now and I introduced him to a real good friend of mine who has been running dogs for i guess about 30+ years now. The younger age friend was looking around at the older age friend's dogs (must have been around 20 or more head). The younger age friend notices that there were no bulldogs. After taking a look at the dogs he asks the older friend which of these are your strike dogs? The older friends pauses and I could hear what he was thinking, he didnt have to say a word. After he paused for a second he says....everyone of them dogs.
What I am getting to is, back in the day there wasnt all these different terms that were associated with dogs. Everydog that was being fed was a hogdog and they had better find a hog and bay it or they didnt last long (I mean being fed). There have always been some dogs that were colder nosed and maybe used to start a track, but every other dog had better be hunting and trying to start the track.
If you ask me or observe my dogs, everyone of them (besides the bulldog) better get out and hunt and find thier own hog. Each dog better bay and stay with a runner and they must have a certain amount of grit want want to when it comes to trying to catch.
So to get to the answer, i would say they are one in the same, but if they are not, I aint going to feed a dog that will just bay.
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KevinN
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2013, 02:27:33 pm » |
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Sent you a PM hog hunter.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2013, 04:47:36 pm » |
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in my opinion, strike dogs and bay dogs are two completely different descriptions.
there are bay dogs that don't strike, and strike dogs that don't bay.
it's that cut and dried to me.
a good specimen does both.
i've also owned a few nice "striking" catch dogs. (which would be an example of a strike dog that don't bay)
in the end you can callem all what you want. they either fit your program or they don't. all the adjectives in the world won't change that.
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hoghunter71409
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2013, 07:09:38 pm » |
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Owl I had not heard that one before.
There will be a Striking Catch Dog for sale in the dog trade later tonight. LOL
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Shotgun wg
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2013, 07:30:54 pm » |
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I have seen striking catch dogs before. I have a friend that has a game bred pit that will find his own hog. One night we had got done working for the night on the farm we stopped at the gate to lock it on the way out. Well we got out to lock the gate and the dog bailed out the truck and went about 50 yards and caught a 125# sow. I have also seen this dog hunt till it found a hog. Granted he don't range real far but he can trail up a pig. My own RCD can and will find his own and catch.
On the subject tho strike dogs find hogs.
Bay dogs bay hogs. Both should do either but sometimes they don't. I don't want a strike dog that won't finish and a bay dog is only ok if it's still trying to learn to find one.
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