Quote by a legendary hoghunter

[Cajun]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BAD HOG. JUST SORRY DOGS & SORRY MEN.

I would like to hear some comments on this before I post the man's name.lol

[Muddogkennels]

IS THE LAST NAME CONNOR? AN ARE THEY FROM WINNFEILD?  LOL DOWN THE LINE OF EARLS FAMILY ?

[BA-IV]

Sounds like something Mr. Orval would say.

It's the truth though.

[hillbilly]

Agreed

[Cajun]

Ben, you hit it on the nail. Orval told me that 30 years or so ago.

While I do agree to a certain extent with that statement, I have run into a few hogs over the years that made me see how sorry my dogs & I are.lol

[Judge peel]

That is one of the dumbest thing I ever heard. That like saying Larry bird was sorry cuz Jordan was better so I geuss I am sorry and suck well I gues any of y'all that didn't where stripes on your shoulders are sorry jmo lol

[hillbilly]

That is one of the dumbest thing I ever heard. That like saying Larry bird was sorry cuz Jordan was better so I geuss I am sorry and suck well I gues any of y'all that didn't where stripes on your shoulders are sorry jmo lol

Bird was good but he couldn't hang Jordan. Just like my dogs they do good in high school but when we get on the profesional we pretty much suck. Most everybodys dogs look good on some easy hogs get on you a good one and they will put you in your place quick. Just like jordan always did o ole sorry bird 

[Judge peel]

Good come back but ole bird did dunk on Jordan one time I think we all are guilty of over thinking and over rating our selfs at time but I been hunting my whole life and I know this for a fact you can't get all all the time that why it called hunting not catching I have been around the block a time or two as well my dogs ain't the best but they catch hogs and my boys have turned into really good hands we just give  hell and have a good time for sure just like me an ole pee paw

[hillbilly]

I think what he is saying is that every hog can be caught with the right dogs and people.

[Judge peel]

I gotcha better said like that but still that is a hard statement to say he must have never missed a hog ever I don't beleave that for one second If you hunted more than a few time you know that. The best dogs have to get to be the best by win and lose and that can take yrs and many replacements and start overs

[kerreydw]

That is one of the dumbest thing I ever heard. That like saying Larry bird was sorry cuz Jordan was better so I geuss I am sorry and suck well I gues any of y'all that didn't where stripes on your shoulders are sorry jmo lol

theres not a dog or a person that hunts hogs thats to good to be hurt by a hog it dont have to be a 300 lb hog either anyone that thinks otherwise is a big dumb a-- . take it from me ive got about 300,000.00dls in a acc. that happend on a hog hunt.

[Judge peel]

Amen brother hope your ok

[BA-IV]

To me, y'all missed the concept of the statement.

There's a some bad hogs out there that will really whip you and the dogs and walk off laughing, no doubt about that. And if y'all knew, knew of, or spoke with the man who made that statement, then you might have a change of opinion and have some humility.

[Judge peel]

I have humility and I have been whooped by hogs more times than I would like to rember but I get the concept is he is the best and every one else is sorry hard statements are hard to live up to brother not trying to take away from any one. But I have lived a hard life and I know first hand if you spout crap out it usely bites you in butt jmo

[BA-IV]

Once again I doubt Orval considered himself the best and probably cussed his dogs more then most.  He was a dog man through and through, and raised more and trained more dogs then most any 10 of us on this site.  He wasn't calling himself the best by no means, and I know he culled dogs better then most people's top dogs in their yard, he just happened to be a plott man and put his energy into that breed.  It was a simple statement that looks like it's ruffled some feathers for no reason in my opinion.

[Judge peel]

Didn't mess up my feathers brother I just committed on the post and said what I think just as you did I am not upset with any thing jmo and I agree he culled ones better than my dogs but that dont meen every one is sorry

[hoghunter71409]

I could wite on this one forever, it just depends on how you see it and what side of the fence you sit on.  For example:

If you had been hunting dogs for 30 years and considered yourself one of the greats and you consistently heard front porch talk about all the bad hogs and how tough these hogs were and a lot of other excuses on why hogs were not caught, you may make a statement and there may be some degree of truth.  From the 30 year veterans persepective, he/she may beleive that there are new hunters and less experienced hunters (call them sorry..I would not) that have unproven dogs (which in some cases may be true) and the general theme of the statement is saying that men are not culling and allowing sub-standard dogs to exist.  In a lot of cases (especially today) average dogs are being beat by running hogs.  A lot of good dogs and great dogs are also being beat by hogs, just like Ben said.

I dont know if I agree with the overall statement and it is not a one-size fits all statements, but in some cases I can see the truth.

For most of the summer, I've been having good hunts and catching hogs.  This past weekend, the hogs flat smoked me and my dogs, I went home very frustrated and thought about culling the whole dang pack.  Does it mean I have sorry dogs and I am a sorry hunter...maybe a 30 year veteran would think so, maybe the hogs were better than me on that day.

Even legends, Presidents, and everyone else with a mouth says things that are not always true and can be argued.  I really dont know what else to say, but the comment is argueable and I'll leave it at that.

[Judge peel]

Very well put brother I think people beleave more than they should and don't keep an open mind and open ears you can always learn something

[BA-IV]

I'm all for looking at something from every which way, and 30 years ago, the hogs were alot different then today, and Jon you make a good point.

[hoghunter71409]

I still dont know who said it and yes hogs are different now than 30 years ago, so are dogs, and so are laws and the environment and the tracking systems and methods of trasnportation we use.  If it was the late Mr. Roberts that said it, you can bet that he did not miss a hunt in 30 years and I bet he meant it from a truthful and respectful way.  I also beleive the quote must be looked at by who the legend said it to.

For example, the 30 yr old legend may use this quote to describe a popluation to a good friend that he has been hunting with for 20 or so years.  He may use a different choice of words to a guy that has only been hunting for a couple of years, or someone that just called him up on the phone and was talking about dogs. 

Another way to evaluate the quote is..who is the person and what is his motive behind the quote?  Interesting, lets say that this legend has his own line of dogs and he been successfull for many of years.  Now there is another man with the same breed of dog (or different) that has become increasing popular and is promting his dogs.  Would the legend use this quote to say, me and my dogs would catch these bad hogs?  Maybe it is all the crosses of today and thier influence on a line breeding program.

I dont know the entire answer, didnt hear the guy say it, wasnt there when he said it.  If you sit around with me after a good hunt and we drink a couple crown and cokes I may say anything.  LOL!!!