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« on: August 22, 2013, 06:43:52 pm » |
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Hey I've seen this a few time in the dog trade section and its on there now, I'm not calling anyone a liar I'm just curious if y'all think its very common for a young dog, lets say under a year, to find pigs on their own.
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rdjustham
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 06:47:36 pm » |
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Ive got a gyp thats just now a year old. Shes been finding pigs in a controlled setting (five acre wooded fenced area) since she was 8 or so months old. Havent been hunting much in the past few months so its just practice work when i can get her there. So in answer to your question, i dont think its impossible or improbable.
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TazD
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 07:03:06 pm » |
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Very common, No. Buy it Definetly happens!!! I will get rid of the puppy if it can not strike, bay/catch its own hogs by then.  I have given away dogs that do not fit my criteria by a year old, and then the person I gave them to says the dog is jamup for them later!! Everyone deals with their prospects in their own way, I just do not keep dogs past a year if they do not get it done by then!! |
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KevinN
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2013, 07:05:02 pm » |
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Yes...it's possible. Actually happens frequently. My lead dog I started hunting w/ veteran dogs at 8 months. He got left in their dust a lot, lol. But...it helped him. He struck his 1st hog at 10 months and hasn't looked back.
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Reuben
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2013, 07:20:40 pm » |
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in the mt cur breed it happens regular enough...some can be really good at 10 months of age...when you get one going that young he might turn into one of those you will always remember...  |
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2013, 03:18:57 pm » |
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If I dump my 8 or 9 months pups in hog sign, they will trail the hog up & either catch them or bay them. They are not broke at that age, so they only get turned out on tracks & they wear tritronics. I agree with Taz, if they are not doing it all on there own by a year, they are culled at my house. Just my criteria.
Now let me explain. My pups run loose until they are about 5 or 6 months old. They start off running rabbits & by the time they graduate to deer is when I pen them up. From 3 months to 6 months they are running loose & using there nose, no training on my part, just doing what comes natural. Then I start them in my 25 acre hog pen. I have one running hog in there. I can find out quick which ones can trail & which ones cannot. If they cannot find their own hog, they are culled, not sold. By the time they are 8 months old, they are ready for the real world of hunting. I put a lot of time in my young dogs & it pays off.
It boggles my mind on how many people will just leave a pup in a pen or on a chain & take them hunting at a year old & are disappointed because their dog did not do anything. Then they say Ole wonder pup is no good & his breeding is no good. My dogs do not do good sitting on a chain.lol
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2013, 04:47:30 pm » |
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It's the natural pups I'm after. I'm with Mike (Cajun) when it comes to letting pups run loose. Everything they do they are learning from experiencing it on their own at a young age and it really shows when you put em in the woods at a young age. Some people wait a year, I won't anymore, my dogs will be in the woods by 7-8 months old if I'm hunting. Losing a young pup or setting one back is all part of it and it's something that you risk, but it's worth it in the end to me.
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KevinN
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2013, 04:55:57 pm » |
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I use to wait till a year but now I'm just gonna wait till I think the pup can handle themselves well.
Ill start hauling my new pups to the woods at around six months if I'm roading, but they'll stay in the box till I've got a bay. If I think they are ready I may drop one with the older dogs at 8 months and at 10 months they will definitely be on the ground from the get go.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2013, 05:31:47 pm » |
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Jimt3,
I do believe there are a lot of pups out there that are under 1 yr that can find their own hog whether in fresh sign or some that can cold trail. But, I don't believe the one that can do it consistently by them self and with natural or training abilities are listed on the dog trade. Those are good dogs and good hunters that have them don't sell them.
I would be very skeptical about any dog in the dog trade section that is under a year old and consistently finding hogs or I would be very skeptical about a post that mentioned a young dog found one or two hogs by himself.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2013, 06:38:52 pm » |
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Hey Cajun I agree with what you said I will let them run when they show me something the longer you waight the longer it takes jmo
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Reuben
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2013, 08:36:50 pm » |
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at my house pups are on a learning curve...if they are lagging behind I don't keep them...early starters beget early starters...some pups hunt hard and can't find...others make it look easy...all that counts on who stays and who will eventually breed also...
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KevinN
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2013, 10:15:30 pm » |
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at my house pups are on a learning curve...if they are lagging behind I don't keep them...early starters beget early starters...some pups hunt hard and can't find...others make it look easy...all that counts on who stays and who will eventually breed also...
Agree with the "hunting hard" and not finding or making it look easy. Notice the parenthesis..... You'll hear about a dog burning up the woods...lol, that don't mean JACK. Just because a dog is hauling butt non stop, never still, never under your feet don't mean he's actually hunting......or at a minimum....good at hunting, lol. I'd much rather have a dog that worked the area diligently and didn't miss anything. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2013, 10:36:24 pm » |
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Yup I seen 9 month old pup outstrike one of the best dogs I ever seen and she has been doing well since then so yeah very possible. It's all in the dog and owner on how it goes down. Just sayin
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2013, 09:10:18 am » |
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well i'll go out on a limb here and wait for all the nay sayers and skeptics to give me the business and try and hurt my '' feelings '' lol i'd just bet ''out of well bred '' dogs that there are more that would than wouldn't if given the time and opportunity . I.E. being raised free ranged , or at least being turned out and put into the woods more than a couple times a month and at 6 months being taken on hunts every time a man went .
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2013, 09:18:41 am » |
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well i'll go out on a limb here and wait for all the nay sayers and skeptics to give me the business and try and hurt my '' feelings '' lol i'd just bet ''out of well bred '' dogs that there are more that would than wouldn't if given the time and opportunity . I.E. being raised free ranged , or at least being turned out and put into the woods more than a couple times a month and at 6 months being taken on hunts every time a man went .
I do believe this has alot to do with how a puppy matures. If you have the opportunity, let them run loose, a puppy will experience more and interact with alot more on his own then with you in controlled situations. The ones with the natural ability and "want to" will sure shine if you take time to watch them some. |
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2013, 01:48:40 pm » |
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I've got a redtick/kemmer cross gyp, she is 6-1/2 months and although she hasnt found her own hog she is close. She stays step for step with the lead dog and is starting to venture off by herself. Almost everytime she's went we've put her on pigs and I believe it won't be just a little while longer and she'll strike 1 up. Can't wait been hopin and prayin she was gonna turn out and with alittle more time and work I do believe she is gonna make a Hog Dog.
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2013, 07:06:09 pm » |
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I think a lot of it is how many pigs you have and how thick it is. There isnt to many pups that's going to go busting thru are south ar pine thickets... Not saying the isn't none. I just think a open country dog will start sooner and a place where there is 50 hogs per 50ac... Which we have in between hogs and thickets its harder to get pups started here
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Reuben
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2013, 08:54:26 pm » |
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I have seen a 4 month old strike and at 6-7 months was doing better than some dogs I have seen and at 10 months was competing with a top strike dog...didn't matter if there were lots of hogs or a few...and many pups striking pretty well by 7-8 months...
one thing that gets me is that some advertise that this pup has struck 1, 2, or 3 hogs...good ones will strike pretty often...
and if you are fortunate enough to let the pups run then you are blessed...that is the best training a hunting pup can get...but a star is born and he will take to hunting and striking game with very little training...
taking the pups to the woods and turning them out to see who has that natural inclination (the naturals) will get you way ahead in the game...especially if you are breeding towards that perfect dog...well, at least breeding hunting dogs towards that goal...
but some breeds start late and if you have one of these strains then that has to be taken into consideration...we have to be logical as well...
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2013, 09:55:43 am » |
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I pen my pups up at weaning time ,letting them out daily for exercise, then turn em out after a couple of weeks to roam freely. It changes my outlook on certain pups everytime. Lol
I feel it makes them more dependant on there nose and natural instinct ,plus it builds there endurance and stamina. I also have a couple pigs in a pen which the pups usually spend alot of time baying. Usually there are a couple that really stand out and shine but I dont really rely on when deciding which ones make the grade and which ones make the cull list. From three to six months I will work with them on penned pigs just to let them know what I want from them.
Ok now this part may sound crazy to most but from 7 months I take whichever pups load up when I go on a hunt. No particular reason for letting them decide if they go its just how I've always done it.
Ive had pups find there own first time out on a couple of occasions ,but usually they just stick with the old dogs. I had one last year that was very independent and ran his own way everytime ,but found hogs consistently. He was that once in a lifetime kinda dog.
By the time they get to be one year of age I start hunting them solo. They will either make it on their own or get culled unless they are just a damn good help dog but everyone has plenty help dogs. Lol
Pups very seldom out strike the old dogs so they need a chance to prove themselves on their own.
I always try to drop em in fresh sign or someplace I'm sure there are hogs.
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