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« on: August 28, 2013, 04:37:26 pm » |
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Its kinda funny really when you just sit back watch , read and think about it as people squabble over the differences of dogs and their styles of dogs. Your hunting style , your hunting places are the one thing that should dictate to you how you need to are should hunt and also should tell you what kinds of dogs you need. Because one dog may be great in some cases and not worth a dime in another . Same with a mixed pack of dogs not worth a dime in most cases ones gonna get the other in a bind .
You know I been thinking for a while now , there is many different people and many different kinds of hog hunting places that calls for many different kinds of dogs. Some call for tons of bottom, some calls not so much bottom, some calls for looser baying , Some calls for ruff bite you in the butt kind , some calls for just about RCD's on the ground most the time . Then you get into a dogs hunting Range for sign, some need dogs that go for miles tons of bottom looser baying and then there is the middle man that wants mid ranged dogs out hunting with some bottom and bite you in the butt kind and then there is others that need the hogs stopped as quick as possiable due to land acreage stipulations so its just many many factors that factor in to what a person hunts, wants and needs. Then you got the hound/Cur fight the open mouths the closed mouths the cold cold noses the hot noses its all in what a man wants and plays into his sitituation which may not be the same as mine are yours. Its just many , many different situtations that calls for different kinds of dogs . Its not that someone is always right are wrong about everything its just that he is proably right about what he wants and hunts in his area that may not be the case for the next man are person. So all in all its just a flood of different opinions in different situtations . Then again there is some people that have no ideal what they need are what they should be hunting in their cases .
Its just goes on for days and nights man and am sure it will as long as hog hunting is alive and well and the people also .
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 06:18:31 pm » |
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I disagree... good dogs should be able to produce pork where ever they are hunted.
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2013, 06:40:53 pm » |
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I disagree... good dogs should be able to produce pork where ever they are hunted.
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2013, 06:43:05 pm » |
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I disagree... good dogs should be able to produce pork where ever they are hunted.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2013, 06:47:25 pm » |
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Well who don't agree with that .
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Most people don't wont a ten mile big bottom dog thats only got 500 acres to hunt . He goes a mile out before he ever starts to hunt.
And am sure most people that's got ten miles of land to hunt don't want no 100/400 yd dog checking back in every five ten mins.
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2013, 07:06:21 pm » |
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I think a good mix of dogs is best a long range or and a cold nose can run right pass game and a short range don't might not go far enough to find the game. So when I load up my dogs I load up hog dogs cooler full of drinks and a few snack and have fun when we get on them we give heck when we don't we figure that we can get em next time. Lot of fellas in my opion put to much brain power in to it if you want more pork in my opion get a descent dog and hunt and u will get em
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2013, 07:14:09 pm » |
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I agree with Texashogdogs. They way I read his post is that he was talking about style of dog for the individual hunter. Nobody can argue that. I don't believe the statement "Because one dog may be great in some cases and not worth a dime in another" is meant to mean that a good don't will not hunt or find hogs in an area, I think he was implying that one style of dog may not be good for certain conditions.
There are a ton of examples to prove the point, I think he did a good job pointing out some of those examples.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2013, 07:38:11 pm » |
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I agree with Texashogdogs. They way I read his post is that he was talking about style of dog for the individual hunter. Nobody can argue that. I don't believe the statement "Because one dog may be great in some cases and not worth a dime in another" is meant to mean that a good don't will not hunt or find hogs in an area, I think he was implying that one style of dog may not be good for certain conditions.
There are a ton of examples to prove the point, I think he did a good job pointing out some of those examples.
Yes sir that is what I was trying to say. and that one mans kind of dog may not be another mans kind of dog. There is different conditions and circumstances that weigh in on what kind of a dog is a perfect type dog for someone. Also if it is not the nexts man kind of dog that does not mean its a piece of crap like a lot of folks like to say so freely on here but what it means is it not right for the next mans kind of hunting and conditions he hunts in . So all the going back and fourth is kinda funny because everybody has all kinds of different needs and circumstances when it comes to hog hunting dogs. I agree a good dog should find hogs anywere but that is not what I was getting at .
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2013, 08:49:42 pm » |
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I disagree... good dogs should be able to produce pork where ever they are hunted.
I agree. The size of place might dictate the type of dog but not the terrain...
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2013, 09:15:44 pm » |
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I disagree... good dogs should be able to produce pork where ever they are hunted.
I agree. The size of place might dictate the type of dog but not the terrain... I disagree I wanna see u hunt a jadg terrier in rice! Its not affective! Or a geat Dane in rosehedge! No real effective! I think terrain can deffinately dictate the type and style of dog need, not meaning range or grittiness but, a good jadg is worthless to hogs 300 yards in a full rice field. Just saying
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2013, 09:17:22 pm » |
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I disagree... good dogs should be able to produce pork where ever they are hunted.
I agree. The size of place might dictate the type of dog but not the terrain... I disagree I wanna see u hunt a jadg terrier in rice! Its not affective! Or a geat Dane in rosehedge! No real effective! I think terrain can deffinately dictate the type and style of dog need, not meaning range or grittiness but, a good jadg is worthless to hogs 300 yards in a full rice field. Just saying Then it's not a Hog Dog...it may be a dog that stumbles on a hog every once in awhile or finds them in terrain they're use to, but that don't make it a HOGDOG.
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 09:26:06 pm » |
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The jadg finds hogs on just about every outing, but can't swim 300 yards across a rice field and possibly stick with a runner, a good Dane a buddy has close range very ruff but every time we get in rosehedge he gets in half way and gets tangled, don't make him a bad dog just body type does not fit the terrain being hunted, I don't no where u got I said they occasionally stumpled up on hogs?
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2013, 09:42:38 pm » |
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The jadg finds hogs on just about every outing, but can't swim 300 yards across a rice field and possibly stick with a runner, a good Dane a buddy has close range very ruff but every time we get in rosehedge he gets in half way and gets tangled, don't make him a bad dog just body type does not fit the terrain being hunted, I don't no where u got I said they occasionally stumpled up on hogs?
I personally agree with you. Just like a day at work ..........productivity is generally highest when you have the right tool for the job and in that aspect the individual dog is the tool and some will work better than others in certain situations and thats a fact jack! ![Wink](http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/Smileys/default/wink.gif) not tryin to argue with anyone, simply my opinion on the subject.
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2013, 09:44:02 pm » |
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You were stating generalizations on certain breeds, and that's how I feel about it. Dog may be good in your country, but if he ain't good in my country, or someone else's country, and can't produce hogs in most any terrain, then to me it's just a dog, not a hog dog. I feel the term is slung around way to easily, but that's strictly my opinion.
I wish I owned a dog like I'm talking about, maybe I will one day, it's for sure a good goal to reach for, but NO, terrain should never be a factor when it comes to a dog producing hogs.
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2013, 09:46:10 pm » |
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I do understand your point on dogs and breeds, but the "want to" factor comes into play at that point, and if the desire is high enough, the dog will make it happen.
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2013, 09:50:14 pm » |
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No, one dog will work fine, whether in rice, rosehedge, salt marsh, pine thicket, mountains, cactus, cedar, etc, etc, etc....
Don't need a little one for this and a big one for that... ha ha ha!
Size doesn't matter... a good dog will still get it done regardless.
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2013, 09:53:16 pm » |
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Good dogs of the same type and style used by the old timers to gather stock off the open range, will catch hogs most anywhere you turn them loose. The reason they are getting hard to find is, people think they need a special kind of dog for the hogs and terrain they hunt. I have hunted hogs in five states with the same dogs and caught hogs.
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2013, 09:54:27 pm » |
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O the jadg wanted to he wanted to work the hogs, he ran around the rice levy barking and barking and barking swimming in 25 to 30 yards coming back barking the hogs eventually took out across the rice and we went and put him on there track and had pork, it was just not physically possible for him to do so in that particular terrain, now did he want to? Yes he wanted to but some things just can't happen amd that was one, now ya I'm speaking about things that are not common but it's common for us being around rice and having a jag as one of our lead dogs, thanks! And not trying to stir up anything just saying just cause there good dogs the terrain on very certain particular occasions can dictate there abilitys!
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2013, 09:58:44 pm » |
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It dnt matter if they rough..catchy..or loose bay.. If you got the rite type of curs..you'll catch hogs in any type of terrain..
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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2013, 10:04:23 pm » |
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Dedication... I've known several folks that ran jagds over the years and hunted with a bunch... water never slowed them down. It's no different than a hog out in a lake, swamp or river... if the dog has the "want to", it will be out in the middle of it.
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