Kinda funny really.

[Dedication07]

ETHUnters, your impressed by that but not at all by the high numbers of dogs that stick 5 plus on every hog they get on that runs everytime and never have an off day? Where are they??? When can I see that? I'm not even asking the next level that simply would impress the crud out of me

[BA-IV]

It's kinda like this to me:

I don't think anyone was bad mouthing anyone's dogs.  This site is great to get gut checked every once in awhile.  If you come on the site claiming you got this and that and then tell how you have hog dogs when they run 200 yards and come back, ill call BS.  Mine may not do any better, but I know they aren't hog dogs and I will express my opinions.  I won't bad mouth anyone's dogs, but if you ask me what I think, I'm going to be 100% honest and most don't like that.

The deal is this, everyone is gonna feed what they like, BUT don't get your feathers ruffled when some people have higher standards and expect it.  I don't mind someone bashing my opinion or my dogs, ill drop em with anyone, and expect to be showed up by quite a few people's dogs, but that's all part of it. 

It's all learning one way or the other.  Take it all in, sift through it, figure out what you like and don't like, build on that, raise some dogs, hunt some hogs, and HAVE FUN.

[rdjustham]

Wanna know how you can tell its summer time?   

[KevinN]

Well Kevin I guess I've never seen a real hog dog out of the hundreds and hundreds of dogs I've hunted behind.

I can promise you one thing... if a hog wants to run... he's damn sure gonna do it. And wreck everything trying to stop him.

I don't have a clue what you've seen or haven't seen.

Again...your wrong..."if a hog wants to run its gonna run"...think about it....EVERY hog WANTS to run. Most just get their minds changed by the dogs. The biggest, meanest and the ones with the ivory are the ones that usually succeed. If YOUR dogs can't stop a 250lb sow or 250lb boar with not much in the area of cutters...well...your dogs aren't for me. Don't make em bad dogs...HELL...I KNOW they're still better than what I have right now, lol. But...like you, I do have expectations and goals and in the end I DON'T WANT dogs like that.

As far as where these dogs are at...the dogs of my recollection are long gone and the gentleman that owned them...well...i talked to him not long ago. We discussed running hogs and whether they were as bad back in the late 90's as they are now. We both thought the same...it had more to do with the dogs than anything else. I asked him if he had any of that blood left and he said no...he had bred it out of them because he was tired of sewing them up. He also said he didn't realize what he had when he had it and he wishes he still had it. Sound familiar Jimmy   Anyway...i don't have any in my yard for sure...but there are some out there. The term "bay buster" comes to mind...I know that's what some of you would say...but I assure you...put two or three "bay busters" together and the bay don't hardly bust. Again...let me make it clear...I ain't talkin about catchy dogs...just gritty as hell bay dogs. Anyway...that's what I'm shootin for....that'll suite me fine.

[LTcaughthog]

Wanna know how you can tell its summer time?   

Everyone's on here instead of In the woods catching pork lol this heats getting everyone worked up. Hahaha

[ETHHunters]

ETHUnters, your impressed by that but not at all by the high numbers of dogs that stick 5 plus on every hog they get on that runs everytime and never have an off day? Where are they??? When can I see that? I'm not even asking the next level that simply would impress the crud out of me

There are not a high number of dogs that can stick for five hours but I have seen a few. I personally have only owned one out of probably a hundred dogs over the last ten years.  What I have not seen is a set of dogs that can stop any hog from running. Maybe they are out there that is why I would like to see them.  As for seeing dogs with no quit that do it day in and day out there's really only one person I can speak of but I won't. I will say his screen name has already been mentioned. I don't have very good dogs and I don't care if you do or not but when someone starts bragging about how good their dogs are I'm always interested to see them perform. Problem is most of the time when people are bragging its about a dog they used to have or.somebody else's dogs.

[Reuben]

Now this is just me and how I look at it.  If a dog has the heart but not the tools to get the job done its not his fault.  If he wants to but cant do it because of some physical incapable abilities  but would die trying its not his fault.  He might be to small to swim 300 yds are he might be to big to get into a rosehedge and just cannot get it done.  Does that make him a bad dog when he has maybe found and caught you 100's of hogs ? 

Na I don't think so .

Can you ask a Champion Pointer to whip a Gr Ch Pit Bulls ass ?

Can you ask a Gr Ch Pit Bull  to do a Ch Pointers job and find and point out birds ?

Can you ask a great Catch dog to do a great find dogs Job?

Can you ask a great find dog to do a great Catch dogs job ?

This can go on and on and on .

Does that make them a bad worthless dog and not great at what the do for real ?
No.

Dogs are like tools ! "Don't mean that in a bad way just a figure of speech"  You breed them to do a specific job and do it well.  You hand pick the dogs to do what they do well.  Then you fine tune it .

I sure as hell aint going to call a dog that has found me many many hogs on top of hogs for years not a real hog dog if he just cant get the job done once are twice in a very bad situation  .  Am not going to call my 80 lb catch dog a piece of chit if he cannot fit his self into a briar thicket a rat has trouble getting into .  There is excuses for everything but then there is common sence and lets not forget about the almighty ego's.
 

Jimmy...I agree with what you are saying here...

but for hog dogs I am very particular about size of a hog dog...if it is 10 pounds heavier and or 1/2 inch taller I don't keep it unless it is an outstanding dog...it is my opinion that too large of dogs are slower in close quarters and usually don't have the stamina of a 55 pound strike dog...it is also my opinion that a 30 pound dog might be very good at finding hogs and finding his way through all types of terrain including getting in rose hedges...but I like that 50-60 pound dog because I want to know that the hog knows he has an anchor on his ear and not feel like he is wearing an ear ring when that smaller dog latches on...but this is just how I see it...

that mid sized dog can go all day and he can can be a strong swimmer, maybe not the fastest but fast...and this dog is agile in tight quarters and can get in tight places including rose hedges...

This type of dog can hunt anywhere any other good hog dog can...my comparison of that dog to a human athlete is that of the "IRON MAN" triathlete...not the fastest but fast...not the strongest but strong...not the best swimmer but a very good swimmer...etc...etc...lots of old time folks that used there dogs to help make a living kept this type of dog...

as a little kid I had the perfect pack of hunting dogs for the terrain I hunted...I was lucky I could hunt in any direction and not see a soul...  

I had 3 different terrains to hunt and 2 of them were not good for my dogs but one was perfect...one of the bad ones was very tall weeds and grass as well ots of brush...the other was nothing but pose hedges too close to each other...not good for running my dogs...but that third spot was perfect...caught lots of game and could catch as many rabbits I could carry...all my dogs had a job to make my pack complete even though I participated...at any given time I had 1-3 strike dogs of the 20 -30 pound size and one flush dog that was part wiener dog...also had one to 2 running catch dogs...if one of these three were missing it hurt the pack...I had different options on how to help but I liked to let the dogs do most of the work...I just led them in the direction I felt was the best to work...lots of rain hunted high spots...drought conditions meant to hunt closer to water...etc...etc...

 

[BA-IV]

You know the dogs are pretty good when someone else is bragging on em, NOT the person who owns them.

If you're the only one crowing about your dogs, chances are they ain't that good.

[TexasHogDogs]

Kevin,

I don't now who you was talking to but I sure as hex know how he felt after he bred it down .  Am just glad I realized it before I bred it all out of mine.  It didn't take me long .  The first crop about two years old good dogs but not near the sit down the other ones had .  I realized real dang quick running hogs for miles is not me and not what I wanted to do, not that it is wrong in any way but just not what I want to do nor was it satisfactory with the amount of land I hunt just not big nuff for all that.  We got hogs now but the big boys were running like mice and we went from catching big hogs to chasing them and just getting lucky every now and then that is just something I was not used to are even wanted to get use to hell I don't want to catch babys and medium size hogs hell I want the big boys .  I realized real real real quick it can happen with those less gritty dogs but not like it was happening in real time when I had those dogs .  They just didn't have the chance to run like they do now.  Anyway to each his on is what I say .  I been on this board now for along long time and I promise you ,  you can go back over the years I been posting on here and you will not find one post were I said a bad word directly about a mans dogs.  If he likes them and that's what he wants man more power to him I wish him the best am not going to say a bad word about his dogs are him.  That's just me man .

[TexasHogDogs]

BI-AV

That part of crowing has a twin ugly sister also . 

When a man goes to worrying about what another man has more than what he's got and telling him what he might need and don't need .
It might be time to re-examine what he has in his yard are look in the mirror .

I see it both ways myself .

[justincorbell]

You know the dogs are pretty good when someone else is bragging on em, NOT the person who owns them.

If you're the only one crowing about your dogs, chances are they ain't that good.

I agree 100% ben, an old timer once told me "you know you've got a dog when other people are talkin about it"

Happy huntin everyone.

[BA-IV]

BI-AV

That part of crowing has a twin ugly sister also . 

When a man goes to worrying about what another man has more than what he's got and telling him what he might need and don't need .
It might be time to re-examine what he has in his yard are look in the mirror .

I see it both ways myself .

That's true as well man.  It's always great to read about good dogs and cipher through the breeding and how they came bout, and figure out what makes em that good. I don't care to brag about mine at all, cuz they ain't worth the feed I feed em half the time   but I do know what a good dog is and what it takes to own one.

[Caseydejohn]

Well Kevin I guess I've never seen a real hog dog out of the hundreds and hundreds of dogs I've hunted behind.

I can promise you one thing... if a hog wants to run... he's damn sure gonna do it. And wreck everything trying to stop him.

I don't have a clue what you've seen or haven't seen.

Again...your wrong..."if a hog wants to run its gonna run"...think about it....EVERY hog WANTS to run. Most just get their minds changed by the dogs. The biggest, meanest and the ones with the ivory are the ones that usually succeed. If YOUR dogs can't stop a 250lb sow or 250lb boar with not much in the area of cutters...well...your dogs aren't for me. Don't make em bad dogs...HELL...I KNOW they're still better than what I have right now, lol. But...like you, I do have expectations and goals and in the end I DON'T WANT dogs like that.

As far as where these dogs are at...the dogs of my recollection are long gone and the gentleman that owned them...well...i talked to him not long ago. We discussed running hogs and whether they were as bad back in the late 90's as they are now. We both thought the same...it had more to do with the dogs than anything else. I asked him if he had any of that blood left and he said no...he had bred it out of them because he was tired of sewing them up. He also said he didn't realize what he had when he had it and he wishes he still had it. Sound familiar Jimmy   Anyway...i don't have any in my yard for sure...but there are some out there. The term "bay buster" comes to mind...I know that's what some of you would say...but I assure you...put two or three "bay busters" together and the bay don't hardly bust. Again...let me make it clear...I ain't talkin about catchy dogs...just gritty as hell bay dogs. Anyway...that's what I'm shootin for....that'll suite me fine.

Hogs have changed, if they didnt they'd be extinct. Every one hates these Russian influenced running hogs but if it weren't for them we'd have nothing to hunt. If hogs would bay up in big wads like they used to when I was a kid, there would not be any left because every Tom dick and Harry wants to kill them.
And yes I agree there are dogs that can stop hogs better than others, there are dogs that can keep hogs bayed that other dogs can't  but a HOG DOG will do every thing in is power to get one stopped and bayed but if it can't do it, it will run the hog till it can't physically go any further and they wil be bayed when you get there.

[Mike]

Can I get an AMEN for Casey!

Kevin... no offense, but you said back in the 90's. Brother, we ain't huntin the same hogs from 20 years ago. Most of those hogs were dumb as dirt, very seldom did you have runners like we do today. Just like Casey stated, everyone and their momma is chasing them these days. I used to have that mind set when I first started... "piss on that one, we'll move up and catch an easy one".

[KevinN]

Can I get an AMEN for Casey!

Kevin... no offense, but you said back in the 90's. Brother, we ain't huntin the same hogs from 20 years ago. Most of those hogs were dumb as dirt, very seldom did you have runners like we do today. Just like Casey stated, everyone and their momma is chasing them these days. I used to have that mind set when I first started... "piss on that one, we'll move up and catch an easy one".

Don't get me wrong Mike...I'm not one of the guys in that mind set. I HATE losing hogs and do want my dogs to stick until I decide to call them off.

Back in the day...there WERE hogs that TRIED to run and a few succeeded, but for the most part they were shut down inside a quarter mile.

I still strongly believe....If a hog is bayed solid initially, ANY hog, that the bay CAN be held with the right dogs....and I'm not talkin bout RCD's or rough catchy dogs. Just solid gritty bay dogs that bay tight and aren't afraid to mix it up.

[hillbilly]

Any hog can be caught.
Any hog that wants to run will run.
I also believe you can take any one dog with plenty of bottom and catch or kill any hog in any terrain. It dont' matter if its 10 acres or 10,000 acres.

[chads7376]

Any hog can be caught.
Any hog that wants to run will run.
I also believe you can take any one dog with plenty of bottom and catch or kill any hog in any terrain. It dont' matter if its 10 acres or 10,000 acres.

Agree.