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« on: September 04, 2013, 11:21:07 am » |
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This kinda falls along the same lines as the "speed" thread...maybe more specifically a post mode under that thread about "would you rather have a dog that runs a hog 5 miles in 4 hours or 5 miles in 2 hours" (or something along those lines).
With all the talk about long chases and lots of bottom...I've got to think that we're talking about hunting in areas that don't hold good populations of hogs. So...dogs with these attributes are a necessity.
My question is...do those same dogs hit that track and stick it...period...no matter what? What I'm getting at is...do they possibly pass up other hogs because they are sticking on the track they started? Or will they peel off on a hotter track and hit those pigs? Just curious as to how these extreme bottom dogs operate.
I guess if your a track hunter...you cast on specific tracks, looking for those trophy hogs...that is for sure what you want.
Ive seen my lead dog run the track of a nice Boar but end up bayed on a sounder of sows. I SAW that boar and it would have been a REAL nice catch. I can see...oh...over the next year or so me starting to do some casting like that...looking for those trophy animals but at this point I'm still happy catching 2 or 3 hogs of average size, which is what happened on that hunt.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2013, 12:10:01 pm » |
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Kevin, threw all the years I never really worried about all of that stuff and I are me and my buddys have sure nuff caught our share of trophy type boar hogs. I like hog dogs that find hogs it makes me no difference how they do it in the wind nose in the air are nose on the ground are a ton of bottom are just enuff bottom to get the job done as long as they are hog dogs and produce hogs. I think a man can get to caught up in all the do's and dont's of all this kind of stuff and forget about a real hog dog is a hog that produces pork day in and day out and of course gonna have a bad day here are there. I think a lot of people miss that there is just some dogs out there that know how to find a hog and were to look then there are some that have to work their asses off just to find one. I never worry about all that kind of stuff I breed them to find hogs and if they cannot they are gone and I just let the cards fall were they may. If a dog are a line of dogs is missing something then I try to add to it by selective breeding and hope it clicks . Then let the cards fall were they may . Sooner are later threw all of this selective breeding a couple super dogs aer gonna pop up and in the mean time a ton of good dogs for sure. There has been many many times we get on big boars they run us threw sows and pigs and sometimes the dogs get off on them and sometimes they don't and will run the big hog till he stands are falls out . I guess what am trying to say is I don't care who tells you what ever dog is not gonna be perfect everytime and really to tell you the truth he is not perfect a whole lot of the times but he finds hogs and produces hogs that don't make him no less of a hog dog .
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Mike
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2013, 12:19:59 pm » |
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Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. It pisses me off when you know they're running a good one and end up bayed, or caught, on something else... especially after running it a while. But them old boars didn't get that way from being dumb.
That's part of it...
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2013, 12:30:41 pm » |
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Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. It pisses me off when you know they're running a good one and end up bayed, or caught, on something else... especially after running it a while. But them old boars didn't get that way from being dumb.
That's part of it...
kinda like that morning we hunted. them hogs mite notta been big boars, but the dogs took their track and it seemed they would pick up another track. it was fun, hope we can put the pork on the ground next time mike, when it cools off.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2013, 12:34:41 pm » |
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Yeah Charles, them little daddy didn't marry mommys can play hide the weenie all day long in a palmetto thicket... just enough to make you mad. ![Grin](http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2013, 01:08:34 pm » |
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Yes sir. We'll put them boggers on the ground next run.
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Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can!
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2013, 04:34:59 pm » |
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I got a dog that will work a track and pull off if he hits a hotter track or winds on something but I don't get worked up about this and that I feed em tracks and if there swine out there they will find em and shut them down if not we head back to the truck load them up and go to whatabuger lol
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2013, 09:41:29 pm » |
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I got a dog that will work a track and pull off if he hits a hotter track or winds on something but I don't get worked up about this and that I feed em tracks and if there swine out there they will find em and shut them down if not we head back to the truck load them up and go to whatabuger lol
Just my style me and you would get along good lol
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2013, 09:49:05 pm » |
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I got one for ya. My trashy dogs jumped a deer just off a gravel road. They crossed the road. I thought it may be a deer and when I got there I checked the tracks where it crossed. Sure nuff it was a deer. They took it .56 west then made a big circle and went north probly .75 we were headed to cut them off when the garmin beeped and started showing bayed. My dogs that means caught. No way they were on a deer I saw the tracks. Head to them work our way in and boom 150-175 pound boar hog caught stretched. Now u tell me what happened. The track on the garmin was consistant with all 3 dogs together and no strange break off or nothing. How do u correct that. Is that good or bad. Lol I'm telling ya world class armadillo dogs here.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2013, 10:55:57 pm » |
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I got one for ya. My trashy dogs jumped a deer just off a gravel road. They crossed the road. I thought it may be a deer and when I got there I checked the tracks where it crossed. Sure nuff it was a deer. They took it .56 west then made a big circle and went north probly .75 we were headed to cut them off when the garmin beeped and started showing bayed. My dogs that means caught. No way they were on a deer I saw the tracks. Head to them work our way in and boom 150-175 pound boar hog caught stretched. Now u tell me what happened. The track on the garmin was consistant with all 3 dogs together and no strange break off or nothing. How do u correct that. Is that good or bad. Lol I'm telling ya world class armadillo dogs here.
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Saw lots of deer races wind up with a hog bayed myself. I have saw my dogs several times get run through a bunch of pigs by a good boar hog and get throwed off. Thats what boar hogs do, just like big bucks. I will take the slower of the two dogs if the faster one will quit after two hours. I believe a slower dog will have more bottom. JMO
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2013, 06:13:23 am » |
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The faster if they are not pushing the track and driveing it in one ass then they are going to ne sucking hind titt in our pack. and " hillbilly" i beg to differ on the faster quiting after two hours .
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2013, 08:24:19 am » |
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Yep easttx91 I don't get in to all of that non since I just run the dogs I got and mold them to the best we can be I have hunted with a lot of guys I think the bigest problem most guy face is they are chasing ghost. I meen dogs just happen in my opion the more you work with the same dogs the better they and you will get this takes yrs to build that's why when we miss one or get licked I don't give up on them just work them more. And if we don't get em it just makes it more rewarding when we do
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2013, 12:54:04 pm » |
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Saw lots of deer races wind up with a hog bayed myself. I have saw my dogs several times get run through a bunch of pigs by a good boar hog and get throwed off. Thats what boar hogs do, just like big bucks. I will take the slower of the two dogs if the faster one will quit after two hours. I believe a slower dog will have more bottom. JMO
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You are talking about 2 totally different things. You must be accustome to hunting behind slow plotts that have bottom!!
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2013, 01:05:26 pm » |
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Yep easttx91 I don't get in to all of that non since I just run the dogs I got and mold them to the best we can be I have hunted with a lot of guys I think the bigest problem most guy face is they are chasing ghost. I meen dogs just happen in my opion the more you work with the same dogs the better they and you will get this takes yrs to build that's why when we miss one or get licked I don't give up on them just work them more. And if we don't get em it just makes it more rewarding when we do
If I got mad everytime we get burnt I wouldn't be having much fun lol
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2013, 06:58:12 pm » |
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Saw lots of deer races wind up with a hog bayed myself. I have saw my dogs several times get run through a bunch of pigs by a good boar hog and get throwed off. Thats what boar hogs do, just like big bucks. I will take the slower of the two dogs if the faster one will quit after two hours. I believe a slower dog will have more bottom. JMO
You are talking about 2 totally different things. You must be accustome to hunting behind slow plotts that have bottom!! [/quote] Nope don't have hounds just some old track running curs. All I am saying is that a jogger can last longer than a sprinter. Where I hunt you just can't sprint.
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2013, 01:13:38 am » |
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I know what my dogs are running as soon as I see it till then it is any ones guess. I am not going to get caught up in the oh they running pigs or boar hog or deer I cant see that on a garmin when they bay or I see it crossing the road all I know is they are hunting!!!
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2013, 01:41:30 am » |
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I know what my dogs are running as soon as I see it till then it is any ones guess. I am not going to get caught up in the oh they running pigs or boar hog or deer I cant see that on a garmin when they bay or I see it crossing the road all I know is they are hunting!!!
Lol I was heart broken when I saw my first decent dog I had who I had been tellin people never trashed run a deer for the better part of a mile.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2013, 04:46:31 am » |
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used to be real hard breaking those gamey, trashy deer running track driving mt curs...trashing on deer was what I dreaded...one day years ago I got the idea from those guys that break dogs off of snakes and I have been using that method to break them off of deer...don't know of that trick would work on Mike...but it works on dogs...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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