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[wildchild]

I am looking into buying register Black mouths and Catahoulas what are some good blood lines ?

[floridahogdoghunter]

the ben line is junk.. it was a cull to begin with.. i dont see what the big hype with papered dogs are, why are you wanting to get into it if you dont mind me asking ?

[Muddogkennels]

non-papered dogs seem live longer an dont choose a dog for looks, Choose them for there working ability's an drive to please..

[wildchild]

I just want register dogs for the simple fact they are worth more if they have papers rather than  non register dogs for an example i own a pair of non register black mouth and the most i can get for the puppies when i breed them is $100 a puppy and my best friend has a pair of register black mouths and he get 250 to 300 a pup . My dogs hunt just as good as the register dogs but every body that calls wanting puppies wants a register one.

[justincorbell]

I just want register dogs for the simple fact they are worth more if they have papers rather than  non register dogs for an example i own a pair of non register black mouth and the most i can get for the puppies when i breed them is $100 a puppy and my best friend has a pair of register black mouths and he get 250 to 300 a pup . My dogs hunt just as good as the register dogs but every body that calls wanting puppies wants a register one.

I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the best dogs ever hunted were never bred to be bought or sold, they were bred and kept in a close tight knit group by the men who bred them to be hog dogs without any interest in monetary gain............. just something to think about 

[Lacy man]

I just want register dogs for the simple fact they are worth more if they have papers rather than  non register dogs for an example i own a pair of non register black mouth and the most i can get for the puppies when i breed them is $100 a puppy and my best friend has a pair of register black mouths and he get 250 to 300 a pup . My dogs hunt just as good as the register dogs but every body that calls wanting puppies wants a register one.

I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the best dogs ever hunted were never bred to be bought or sold, they were bred and kept in a close tight knit group by the men who bred them to be hog dogs without any interest in monetary gain............. just something to think about 

Yes sir, he did at least pick the two most popular breeds to sell lol

[halfbreed]

  well wild child the proof is in the pudding so to speak on selling pups .  as a rule I used to sell my cross bred dogs for more than the registered mutts . IF you have GOOD SOLID DOGS  it don't matter if they are papered or not . and if your dogs are worthy of breeding and you think you must have papers on them , find you a registry and single register them . I think well I know the nkc will single register the cur dogs . then you can keep track and have your own special line of money burners . but if your in it for the money I would suggest just getting a second job  lol   because you'll need a blood transfusion , plenty of gatoraid and a whole lot of tissue's to just break even in this game  .

[hoghunter71409]

Wildchild...to each his own and if you want registered dogs than go for it.  All my dogs (plotts and one catahoula) are registered and I like it that way.  I only aim to please myself, and since I am paying the feed bill I will do what I want.  If you want registered dogs than do it.  Sorry I dont know the best registered lines.

Sometimes economics are important.  There are people I work with that constantly talk about breeding and selling thier Pug dogs and English Bulldogs as just house pets.  They are selling these non-working dogs for pets and getting anywhere from 800-1600 for a pup.

Id say as long as you are breeding great dogs to other great dogs than go for it.  My only opinion and concern is that people down breed junk just make a buck.  It goes against my way of thinking, but if your dogs are registered and you can breed to another good dog that has papers, go for it.

[JoshStokley]

I just want register dogs for the simple fact they are worth more if they have papers rather than  non register dogs for an example i own a pair of non register black mouth and the most i can get for the puppies when i breed them is $100 a puppy and my best friend has a pair of register black mouths and he get 250 to 300 a pup . My dogs hunt just as good as the register dogs but every body that calls wanting puppies wants a register one.

I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the best dogs ever hunted were never bred to be bought or sold, they were bred and kept in a close tight knit group by the men who bred them to be hog dogs without any interest in monetary gain............. just something to think about 

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[Judge peel]

Don't get me wrong papered dogs are great be cuz you can trace them up and down so you can see what they should be or do. But as we all know that ain't the case in this game allways mixing and match to make them better we cross our line to make a dog. You can have a good standard in a line and stick with it and be ok pure dogs seem to stay consists but some crosses can be good or better. So can straight line but in most cases papers are good for showing or wipe ing lol  

[Hog Dog Mike]

How do you know that a dog is really bred like the papers show?? I promise some of the papers are phoney. I know for a fact that is true for bird dogs and was refered to as grey shirting back in the day. That meant that if some other dog bred your female that the one you paid for it was grey shirting.

If I was ever going to breed a good female to a hot shot male you can bet that I am going to be there at the breeding. I want to see it for my own eyes.

The only two hog dogs I had that were registered were not that good. I want to get my dogs from somebody that I know for a fact has good dogs. If they tell me that a dog or pup is good I go with that and it has worked well. I could care less if a dog has papers or what they do in a baypen. Give me a dog that can do it in the woods.

[BigAbner]

Floridacur you made a statement that Ben dogs are junk and that he was a cull. You haven't done your homework buddy. I doubt you have ever hunted with a real Ben dog. Ben dogs are about all that are used around here because nothing else works as well. Ben was no cull although he had the reputation of being a little rough with cattle. Spend some time learning something before you slam other people's dogs, it makes one question whether you know anything at all. I'm not going to slam your dogs whether they have any hunt in them at all, your the one that feeds them.

[jpuckett]

the ben line is junk.. it was a cull to begin with.. i dont see what the big hype with papered dogs are, why are you wanting to get into it if you dont mind me asking ?

That's a big statement buddy. I hunt a lot of Ben Jordan dogs and they are as close to exactly what I want in a bmc that I've found. Physical if they need to be but will stay back and bay of the hog will stay put. As far as I'm concerned they are the only cur line to have.  When bred to another good bmc that works then ALL the pups work. The people that can't hunt em are the people that can't train em. A lot of times it had nothin to do with the dog and everything to do with the trainer...

[BA-IV]

There's a huge difference between Ben Jordan Stock and Weatherford Ben Stock...it's night and day.

[Judge peel]

Jpuckett you hit it on the head

[7Mhunter]

I just want register dogs for the simple fact they are worth more if they have papers rather than  non register dogs for an example i own a pair of non register black mouth and the most i can get for the puppies when i breed them is $100 a puppy and my best friend has a pair of register black mouths and he get 250 to 300 a pup . My dogs hunt just as good as the register dogs but every body that calls wanting puppies wants a register one.

All of our dogs are non reg. Except my walkers. I sale my non reg black mouths at 250-400 and walker pups anywhere from 100-500. Just get a different line. Papers dont make a dog. Advertise more put you're puppys out there and you're dogs. Hunt with new people. Let the people come to you. We sale a lot of puppys due to wanting one out of a litter then not wanting to keep any of the rest. I sale all mine by advertising. It works.

[7Mhunter]

Don't get me wrong papered dogs are great be cuz you can trace them up and down so you can see what they should be or do. But as we all know that ain't the case in this game allways mixing and match to make them better we cross our line to make a dog. You can have a good standard in a line and stick with it and be ok pure dogs seem to stay consists but some crosses can be good or better. So can straight line but in most cases papers are good for showing or wipe ing lol  

If you have the old school line you can do the same with non reg dogs. Butch Arnold's dogs aren't reg and he can trace his dogs all the way back to 1943.

[floridahogdoghunter]

Floridacur you made a statement that Ben dogs are junk and that he was a cull. You haven't done your homework buddy. I doubt you have ever hunted with a real Ben dog. Ben dogs are about all that are used around here because nothing else works as well. Ben was no cull although he had the reputation of being a little rough with cattle. Spend some time learning something before you slam other people's dogs, it makes one question whether you know anything at all. I'm not going to slam your dogs whether they have any hunt in them at all, your the one that feeds them.

i didnt personally say your dogs are good nor bad and honestly dont care ive done research and ive been around 50 plus years hunting experenced guys for quit awhile if you like them good for you i dont feed them so i do not care if there was a good one someone was to give/ sell for cheap would i take it yes but would i buy pups solely off that line just because they were from  the famous weatherfords ben nope.. even if he was as good as he is talked about would i want the pups no becouse look up pups of that line online there are tons are you telling me every single one is a good dog i would be willing to bet not. i will stick to dogs that i know what and who they have come from.  this is all MY opinion what it means to me is not the same to you i do not bash ppls dogs because i do not feed them if i made you made that was not my intentions but i will say what i think.

[floridahogdoghunter]

the ben line is junk.. it was a cull to begin with.. i dont see what the big hype with papered dogs are, why are you wanting to get into it if you dont mind me asking ?

That's a big statement buddy. I hunt a lot of Ben Jordan dogs and they are as close to exactly what I want in a bmc that I've found. Physical if they need to be but will stay back and bay of the hog will stay put. As far as I'm concerned they are the only cur line to have.  When bred to another good bmc that works then ALL the pups work. The people that can't hunt em are the people that can't train em. A lot of times it had nothin to do with the dog and everything to do with the trainer...

didnt say anything about ben jordans stock

[mikejc]

Maybe ETHD should have a dog jockey section!