Couple of questions for the more experienced?

[stoked]

1. Parvo- can a dog get parvo from the ground? i have some areas in my yard that after a big rain, they don't dry very quickly. i need to get a load of sand dumped in there. a couple of my dogs are walking around in muddy water or just wet ground for a few days until it drys up.

2. ivermectin- if you haven't gave ivermectin in a few months, and start giving it again, will your dogs still do ok. i mean if they got some heartworms between that time period, will it kill them off again?

3. pups- what shots should i give my new pups? 5 months and younger and when should i give it to them? ive wormed them with some pills, but should i give 7/1 now? what brand should i use? get it at tractor supply or what?

[cward]

Give the 8 in ones don't buy at tractor supply... Order your shots from hertland or kv vet or valley vet... Tractor supply hires people who don't know how to handle medication....If you order your own then you no it stays cool...I seen cattle medicine out on the floor at tractor I picked it up and it was warm... I said something to the girl she said that they were fixing to stock it in the cooler!  Parvo is in the ground it is tuff to get ride of... It don't matter if its wet or not if parvo is there it is there...Just keep your pups off the ground until they get shots in them...... Know I am going to say something alot of people don't know before you give a puppy a shot they need to be weaned at least 2 days of 6 weeks the mother milk will knock the shot out... The dogs that you missed worming only by a couple of months will be ok just start them back as soon as possible......My wife is going to vet school so she keeps up with all this!

[DIAMOND A KENNELS]

Most cases of CPV infections are caused by a genetic alteration of the original canine parvovirus: the canine parvovirus type 2b. There are a variety of risk factors that can increase a dog’s susceptibility to the disease, but mainly, the virus is transmitted either by direct contact with an infected dog, or indirectly, by the fecal-oral route. Heavy concentrations of the virus are found in an infected dog’s stool, so when a healthy dog sniffs an infected dog’s stool, it will contract the disease. The virus can also be brought into a dog's environment by way of shoes that have come into contact with infected feces. There is evidence that the virus can live in ground soil for up to a year. It is resistant to most cleaning products, or even to weather changes. If you suspect that you have come into contact with feces at all, you will need to wash the affected area with household bleach, the only disinfectant known to kill the virus.
u can worm with  ivermec again as long as u dont go over six months it take six months for heart worms 2 mature so dont let them go with out more than six months i think u will be fine. and tsc is where i get mine at they work fine i start with 5 way then the 6 7 8 way later on

[Bryant]

It's mis-information that giving a dog with heartworms Ivomec will kill it.  Ivomec only kills microfilaria, not adult heartworms and it will not matter how long it's been.  I've got an old dog positive for heartworms that I've been giving Ivomec for years to keep from developing any more adults.  Come to think of it, the lifecycle of the adults has probably passed and he's probably clear anyhow.

Also adult heartworms don't mature and develop inside a single dog.  Simply put, microfilaria must be picked up by a mosquito and placed inside another dog for the lifecycle to be completed and adult worms to develop.

As for pup shots, the mother's milk has nothing to do with protection.  The only antibodies a pup receives are passed from the mothers blood (from the placenta) and from an antibody-rich milk called colostrum received during the first 36-48 hours of life (and ONLY if the mother was properly vaccinated prior to whelping).  The antibodies received will last several weeks and as a rule injectible vaccines will usually be started around week 6.  There's a period  of time there (generally called the window of susceptability) that the mothers passed antibodies aren't strong enough to offer protection, but still strong enough to not allow a proper vaccination.  Since there's no way of knowing exactly when that time is and it varries from litter to litter and pup to pup, that's why pups are usually vaccinated starting around six weeks, then again every three weeks for four rounds until the vaccination hopefully will become effective.

Although kinda rare, it IS possible despite the mother being up to date, and injections being given that the pups can become infected during that window.

[dgdawsonBMCs]

I don't know that I am one of the more experienced, but I do read and think alot, so maybe that counts....

What Bryant said is absolutly correct...there, I didn't have to write much at all...thanks Bryant..

[cward]

     Hello all! This is Mrs. CWard and I wanted to put my two cents in on the discussion that was going on concerning the protection that a parvo shot (8 in 1, 7 in 1, etc.) will provide a puppy who is still receiving mothers milk. I am an aspiring vet student so I try to keep myself informed of such information as well as also just trying to maintain my own dogs health. First I must start by saying that, Bryant, you have contradicted yourself in your post. Your first line states that, "the mothers milk has nothing to do do with protection." You follow that by saying that, "The only antibodies a pup receives are passed from...an antibody rich milk called colostrum...the antibodies will last for several weeks." So here you can't have your cake and eat it too. The mother's milk can NOT do nothing at all while it is still providing antibodies for several weeks after birth. Also while colostrum is the rich "booster" of the puppies new life...this is not the only time that antibodies are passed from mother to pup. This is an ongoing process; the colostrum is just the most power packed dose of antibodies delivered at one time.

     The statement that the bitches milk will "override" the effectivness of the vaccination is correct. The most modest of statistical claims state that 30% of puppies who are vaccinated while still on mothers milk will contract the parvo virus. This number will see a substancial increase if the disease is prominent and active in a location where puppies are to be raised. However, there are claims that the vaccination, Neopar, will "override" the mother's milk and may be administered while the puppies are still nursing. To date this is the only vaccination that can make this claim. It is note worthy to say though that if Neopar is given it should be followed with an acceptable all in one shot within 2 weeks and after the pup has been weaned.

[Bryant]

I don't believe I was contradicting myself...only trying to simplify the terminology and shouldn't have referred to colostrum as "milk".  When I referred to "milk", I was referring to transitional, fore and hind milk.

And by vaccinations, I was posting using the assumption that most would administer a standard 5 or 7 way.

Didn't realize proper terminology would be so important.  Sorry for the confusion...

While it is also true that fore and hind milk contain antibodies, those are not injested into the pups system after receiving colostrum.  Google up "transfer factor" and you can see how through research scientists were first able to figure out how injested antibodies that passed through the digestive system were not killed.  This is only done once, and because of a compund found in colostrum that allows those to pass through.

Not trying to start an argument, and maybe I should go read as new things may have developed! 

[Texas_Cur]

This is all way over my head.

I bet Monteria could straighten this one out

[cward]

     No argument to be had, Bryant. I was simply posting back to your comment, thought I was helping. There are alot of dog owners out there with questions and it can sometimes be hard to find the needed information to make an informed decision when it comes to pet care. Given the vast amounts of information and countless numbers of cures, remedies, and fixes that are out there, it sometimes becomes neccesary to get technical in order to understand something with clarity. That was the point of my reply, to just inform "Stoke" of some additional information that might have helped him with some of his questions. As for your additional information on the absorbtion of antibodies through the gut lining... I know some of what you are saying is correct and I will not deny it in its entirity but, I will have to review that information for myself because I believe that there is a little more to it than what you have stated. But, thank you for that... I love food for thought it fasinates me to learn about this stuff! When I find out some more information on the topic I would love to share it with you.

[cward]

This is my husband's thing so forgive me, I am new at this. Who is Monteria?

[Monteria]

This is all way over my head.

I bet Monteria could straighten this one out

Hey, Don't throw me in the middle

Seriously though, the point of his questions are being lost for the detail......

1) parvo can live in the ground but what you describe is not conducive so I wouldn't be concerned. When you are talking about parvo that lives in the soil, think Anthrax..... It can live in dry ground and spread after a rain BUT, it is not naturally occurring in soil nor can it live there indefinitely. Unless you have had parvo on the yard in the last year or so, I would have zero concern.

2) Mostly I agree with Bryant here.... I think it is rare that introduction of Ivermec will kill a dog HOWEVER, the possibility does exist IF the dog has a massive infestation. Personally, I subscribe to the Bryant method too but I don't ever advise that others do...... Only because I don't want to be responsible for that 1 out of 1000 that it does kill.

3) 5,6,7 or 8 way shots should be given on a set schedule. Everyones schedule varies a little and mine is Vanguard Puppy+ 5 way; 1 at 6 weeks, 1 at 10 weeks, 1 at 14 weeks. That being said, if your pups are already 5 months and have not been vaccinated, I would just give them one shot and be done with it...... They have already outgrown the most susceptible time of its life. I also DO NOT give yearly parvo boosters. The only other vaccination that you have to worry about is Rabies. I do not give Rabies shots until the dog is 1 year old and I never booster. State requirements be damned. I honestly believe that Rabies shots have the potential to induce aggression in dogs who are vaccinated to young or too often.

That being said, my thing is nutrition and bio, not vaccinations.....

Steve

[hogtied]

If parvo is in the ground it is there... all my pups stay off the ground till they get all their shots. Ivermectin should not hurt them, I rotate it on mine every two months, it will kill them if they have heart worms. no technical stuff to say on it,  it is how it is.

[dgdawsonBMCs]

I obtained a 5 year old dog who was full of heartworms.  I took him to the vet and they gave me a break down of the treatment they proposed (expensive and not really good for the dog)....I talked to several people, read what I could find,  and after knowing that the life of an adult heartworm is approx. 2 years, I determined that if I could stop the new heartworms my dog could be heartworm free in approx. 2 years...Anyway, I have been giving him Ivomec for 4 years now and he is still here...Not only that, but he doesn't have that  nasty cough anymore either...

[hogtied]

I think mine had them bad and i didnt no it, was two gyps, I had not had them long, and i give mine 1cc in the mouth of injectable cattle wormer every other month and safe guard past on the rotated month... switched to safeguard 2 months then ivomec the third

[jdt]

what about zimecterin gold , it takes care of everything right ?

[Texas_Cur]

This is all way over my head.

I bet Monteria could straighten this one out

Hey, Don't throw me in the middle

Sorry bud not trying to instigate anything, its just from what I have noticed you've been pretty spot on in the past

[Monteria]

I figured that Savoy put you up to it 

[tnhillbilly]

this is the most informative thing that i have found about giving shots, it is alot to read, but very informative.http://www.coondawgs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=61053

[hogtied]

I think zimecterin gold gets everything including heart worms... anything with ivermectin should get everything, where as safe guard and other pyrantel pamoate based wormers kill hookworms, roundworms, etc... but not tape worms and heartworms... I no alot of people that use zimecterin gold...

[hillbilly]

8 in 1 shots at 6 weeks, 9 weeks, and 12 weeks
ivomec and valbazan every month