Bay dogs

[trent77969]

Is there anyone out there who has these dogs that can bay up a whole pack of hogs at one time.  If so I would be interested in tagging along so see this with my own eyes.  I hear about it in tournaments all the time, but I find it hard to believe.  I have my own pack of dogs, but I use catchdogs.  If there is anyone, let me know if you are not to far from Victoria, Texas     Thanks Trent

[Mike]

If the hogs will stay together, mine will bay them all day long.

I prefer loose baying dogs and leading the catch dog in. I like to see the bay and watch the dogs work... and then see the catch dog hit.

... but most of the groups we get on scatter before that happens!  :'(

[Txmason]

My dogs will bay a group of hogs also.  Most times when you turn the catch dog aloose that's what brakes the bay.

We use no guns.

[trent77969]

So when you take the first shot the hogs don't scatter?

[BRUTE]

Some times they don't. I have bayed up some groups in the grain fields when they are planted. Some times you can get several shots off before they actually scatter. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Can't have any gritty dogs they tend to bust the groups up and all myne have been when I was on foot to a bay. Have yet to drive up to a pack bayed.

[uglydog]

Have bayed groups several times. The largest group was covering a county road, on both sides as far as could see in the dark (moon was good) and could not even begin to tell you how many hogs were in this group. Hilscher and Renee drove up to them on the mule, they were running into the Mule on purpose. I had one caught in the brush, Thomas had catch dog on one until the herd turned on the catchdog and attacked the dogs, several dogs were getting a whooping, luckily more sows and hardly any cuts. Mike was shooting them a little .22 pistol and killed 3 point blank range, all this was going on at the same time.
These hogs were the most aggressive I have ever encountered and the chattering had the hair on everybodies neck standing up. The hogs had put Thomas up balancing on top a fence post.
This was not al that far from where we live. Have seen large groups. Have bayed some good ones with Mr.Masona nd took pictures. Can't tell the dogs what to find and bay, We do not carry a gun so you can hold the catch dog back and wait  and see if the hogs start breaking out, or go ahead and send in the Cacthdog and see what happens. Sometimes you get the smallest one in the bunch. Sometimes you can use two catch dogs and spread out and get one from each direction. Hopefully your bay dogs are experienced enough to roll out and stop another from the group when the break. Have had catch dogs caught in small groups and the other hogs go to helping fight the catchdogs.

[jml]

I bayed a group one nite and couldnt tell how many were there but it sounded like the longer my dogs bayed more hogs were showing up, the hogs grunting got so load that I could barely hear my dogs baying, I think thats what they call a ralley. anyone ever heard of that?

[uglydog]

Ralley is correct . Did your hair on your neck stand on end with that sound?

[Sean]

ralley, that's interesting. can one of you give me a short definition so i can add it to the hunters terms on our begginers page?

[BRUTE]

ralley, that's interesting. can one of you give me a short definition so i can add it to the hunters terms on our begginers page?

Ralley- Hogs version of a Blitz

[Sean]

ralley, that's interesting. can one of you give me a short definition so i can add it to the hunters terms on our begginers page?

Ralley- Hogs version of a Blitz

okay, so what- they all start coming at you?? not sure i understand...

[BRUTE]

ralley, that's interesting. can one of you give me a short definition so i can add it to the hunters terms on our begginers page?

Ralley- Hogs version of a Blitz

okay, so what- they all start coming at you?? not sure i understand...

It was king of a joke, but in a way kind of true. Kind of the first thing that came to mind. Hogs are usually on the defense. In these cases they ban together to move against the your dogs, usually on the offense.

Blitz: an intense campaign; an overwhelming all-out attack;attack suddenly and without warning; defensive players try to break through the offensive line

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

I have one good pick of a big sounder bayed. That happens more often for me in the daylight. I have seen the herding behavior in hogs just like in cattle. A sounder with several sows with young and adolesent members will come into the bay as a natural defence maneuver. They will pack up to defend their selves. Cattle will do the same thing, when hunting cattle and I get a good bay going I always take my time getting there and come in quiet. If the cows have calves and are balling at and fighting the dogs others will come to help, I have seen a 5 cow bay turn to 20, and when they get the numbers right they will run over the dogs at that point and escape. I have seen hog act the same way and I have watched singles try and leave the sounder and the dogs hit them and run them back in, just like cattle.

I used to just call that bunchin' up but now I will call it a RALLEY

Paul T

[txboardog]

about two years ago my wife and son and me went out on the four wheeler took 3 bay dogs and no catch dog we were really just exercising them when they struck some hogs it souded like there was a 100 of them in there when we walked in we counted 14 sows and one little boar and i dont know how many little pig but all of the sows and the boar were standing butt to butt with all of the little ones underneth just grunting away my wife wanted to shoot one and i told her to wait till i said ok , i whistled at my dogs and they kind of backed off and she drilled the boar in the ear with the 30-30 win , hogs scatterd everywhere.

[uglydog]

I'm not sure how to put it in words but I believe a Sounder to be a "herd" living/coexisting together and when on the defensive, like Paul spoke of defending cattle behaviors to be a "Rally" The noise they make is eery and I am wanting to get it on an audio tape.

We named this local unusualy large sounder "The MOB" because that is what it reminded us of a riot where the energy grows and esculates into bigger things


the picture angle does not show all the hogs, this was kinda like what Paul was talking about where a dominant hog would charge out at the dogs and the other hogs would start moving towards the same direction, these two dogs weren't going to sit still and let that big fat sow run them over, like she was trying to do. What you can't see inthe picture were about 20-30 more sows and pigs and on the backside of them were Mr.Masons dogs baying on the other side opposite of where we were standing.

[trent77969]

I totally understand the sow with pigs outlook,  but when guys bring in all boars and they bayed them all, I want to see it for myself.  Very neat pics by the way.

[Wmwendler]

Hogs bay up just like cows and it takes the same kind of dog to do both jobs.  I beleive that hogs wont break bay unless they feel pressured to do so.....either before or after the dogs find them.  Could be they heard ur 4-wheeler or dog box rattle and that put them on edge so when the dogs do find them they have allready started leaving or they scatter once they see dogs there.  Or they will break bay if they smell, hear, see you,.....I have broken allot of bays that have been going on for half an hour or more, then I get there and the hogs smell me and they bust and run.  Turning allot of dogs into a bay that has settled will often times put too much pressure on hogs and break bay.  Some times a single dog will be bad about putting to much pressure on groups and will always break bays.  Sows with little pigs are the easiest to bay in a group.  Usually mature boars dont bay in groups because they dont travel in groups.  Some times boars will bay with sows if they are tending sows that are in heat.  Rarely do boars bay together.  The most male hogs I have ever heard of baying together was two barrows and a boar.

Waylon

[BRUTE]

Different times of year sows group up and boars group up.

We turmed two catch dogs loose to a bay in an oak mont and all went running in. As the catch dogs went in there were boar hogs coming out. I had two boar hog come down the trail I was on and ended up jumping onto a tree limb. There was a fence about 30yrds from there and they were hitting that fence running. You could hear that wire stretching.

[trent77969]

Brute that is exactly what I would think would happen, these guys told me they bayed a herd and shot everyone of them, I find that very hard to believe.  It just seems that they may get one or two, but these were 200 pound range hogs.  He told us he didn't even need the catchdogs the whole weekend, that has to be neat.

[hoggiestyle]

trent, are you reffering back to the TDHT contest that was held a couple of weeks ago? if so i still have alot of questions about how some of them hogs were caught. i hope they keep pushing for the lie detector,just my ten cents worth.