Bay dogs

[Circle C]

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[Circle C]

Realdogs,

   Without a picture, it is just a story on a message board

Chris

[trent77969]

So I am seeing this correctly you will take a shot with a gun with a dog on a moving hog and, not worried about hitting the dog?

[Circle C]

Realdogs,

   I am all for seeing a demonstration

Pictures are nice, but there is nothing better than the real thing!

[BRUTE]

So I am seeing this correctly you will take a shot with a gun with a dog on a moving hog and, not worried about hitting the dog?

Yes, and I know what you are reffering to in the tournaments. They do actually bay up big packs and more than one person goes with a gun and they position themselves for multiple shots. Not all the hogs shot have a dog that is specifically baying that hog.

Alot of them do it at feedlots or where there is net wire or even if they have the pattern on hogs. They turn dogs loose and catch what they can and have more guys posted up at the spots where they know the rest of the hogs will run. That is how those guys use to bring is 40+ hogs. 20-25 is about the max most guys who stab a hog can do.

Most contests allow this because the rules say "As long as dogs are on the gound" but it is still cheating and the main reason why most knife hunters do not want hogs that can be shot in the same division.

I agree Realdogs,
Dogs that are used with guns do things a little different than dogs that are used with catch dogs.

[hoggiestyle]

thanks brute, starting to make a little more sense, sounds like we dont need to take a knife to a gun fight!!!!!!!!!!

[BRUTE]

thanks brute, starting to make a little more sense, sounds like we dont need to take a knife to a gun fight!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly... alot of people have got the same if you can't beat them, join them, attitude. I have asked before to name one person who hunts tournaments that only bays and shoots, all the time, no catch dogs. I have yet to get a name. There is alot of smoke that gets blown you know where on the public eye.

From what is sounds like TDHA will solve this issue at the next contest and HHK sounds like his contest might be good also.

[trent77969]

What is hhk tournament

[trent77969]

So if I get the chopper that is used to hunt hogs off the places we go, I can just drop a dog when I see a big one and shoot it LOL.

[BRUTE]

What is hhk tournament

HHK is a guy who posts. He is talking about having a contest.

And the chopper deal... "as long as dogs are on the ground."

[hoggiestyle]

alll about a contest to meet new hog/dooooog hunters and keep it fair, as for the chopper deal,well i think it would be a wonderful time ,but way to easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe its harder than i think.

[Circle C]

Helicopters huh.   Here is something to think about.

Copied from the TDHA board, a post by Charlie Gasch

Mr. Gasch was my father. I am Charlie. When you get tired of the rain send it to S texas I haven't had a good rain since Sept 2007. While I was at the contest they flew some of my hunting country with a helicopter. Only killed 9 hogs. So I don't think they hurt the population any. Heck Dee and I caught 13 last saturday and friday afternoon Just couldn't find the big ones. The country we hunted was ranch land with no deer feeders and no fields only senderos and brush. There is a lot of hogs there but sometimes we don't find the big ones. We always have fun though!

Looks like they did better old school than the guys did with helicopters.

[BRUTE]

Not sure who was flying and shooting from that rig. SOme have killed over 300 in a day. They can kill 150 or so regularly around here.

Alot of times they try to get guys to come in behind the choppers that will run down the wounded. They can run the choppers and it will slow up a little... but there are still pleanty of hogs for a hog dogger.

These people are doing it to protect crops and stuff, not for the sport. To even make a dent you have to hit them from all angles; choppers, dogs, and traps.

[Circle C]

Brute,

You are correct in that you need to hit them from all angles.

The point I was trying to make is that one could hire out a heli and still come up short in a contest.

It's why they call it HUNTING.

[Wmwendler]

Helicopters huh.   Here is something to think about.

Looks like they did better old school than the guys did with helicopters.

Fly in a Helicopter over some thick woods and try to imagine how hard it is to even see a hog down below.  And its not exactly a smooth ride so it aint easy to hold the gun steady for a shot.  Most of em' use shotguns with buck shot, for that reason, and I would bet they wound more hogs than they kill.  When I was young we hunted a ranch that had just been high fenced.  The County trapper was freinds with my dad and had been shooting hogs out of the ranch with a helicopter because the ranch wanted them gone.  The supposedly killed hundreds and let them lay.  He asked My dad to come and clean up the ones that got smart and hid in the brush which was supposed to be only a sow and a few shoats.  So we brought some freinds and first hog out of the box was a boar, 22 hogs later we caught the dogs.  We saw no carcases, no bones, no buzzards, no proof that they had killed any hogs at all.  Only thing we did see was some wounded hogs we killed.  I can say that that county trapper was buying hog dogs after that for some pretty high prices.  Choppers work ok in the begining and then the hogs get smart and squat in the brush.

Waylon

[Wmwendler]

No disrespect Realdogs, but whats the difference between a dog that bays hog that get shot and one that bays hogs that get caught?  The job is the same, find and bay hogs.  I've done both with the same dogs, and so do allot of people.  The only difference I see is one you pull the trigger and the other you unsnap the bull dog.

Waylon

[c.miller]

I still want to see this video of the dog that drags hogs out one by one while the other is still baying.

[BRUTE]

No disrespect Realdogs, but whats the difference between a dog that bays hog that get shot and one that bays hogs that get caught?  The job is the same, find and bay hogs.  I've done both with the same dogs, and so do allot of people.  The only difference I see is one you pull the trigger and the other you unsnap the bull dog.

Waylon

The difference I see is that the dogs the regulary hunt with guns tend to be more aware of people coming up, the shot, some know to get out of the way, ect...

I have some that can do both also, but I have some you can not use with a gun because they bay too tight or are too gritty.

[Sean]

if someone gives me video on a disk, i can usually do something with it. and put it in a format that makes it postable. i can't do anything with tapes of any type. just don't have the conversion equipment for that.

[BRUTE]

Brute,

You are correct in that you need to hit them from all angles.

The point I was trying to make is that one could hire out a heli and still come up short in a contest.

It's why they call it HUNTING.

Sorry, yes, you never know. Just like that only getting 9 hogs.

But if you come down to a heavily populated are like here. Its money in the bank. Like I said, they get 100 to 300 hogs (kind of depending on how big the ranch is, smallest maybe 5K biggest 100K+) regurlarly on the ranches we hunt and surrounding ranches, that is free range, no high fences. That is running during the day from say 10am to 4pm. Can't remember for sure, but for a day like that it is around $3K-$5K. With TDHA giving out over $2K this past year... its not to far off of an idea.

They use to have guys that would go with goosekneck trailers and pick them up then they would haul them to a big pit. Now they just leave them. Typically these guy use .223s around here. They will do the same for coyotes.