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« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2013, 10:11:04 am » |
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Just curious, does anyone run just one dog? I've been running just one dog at a time and leading 3 catch-dogs. This has really been working good for me lately. I hate to leave others in the dog box but the ranker, wilder, and running hogs seem to take the single dog baying them better. I guess one dog don't really impose much of a threat in there mind then all the sudden 3 good catch-dogs got their nose in the dirt. Of course I've had to step it up to 3 lead-in catch-dogs instead of the normal 2 for additional help at crunch time but its really working good so far.
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« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2013, 11:13:40 am » |
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I have two buddy's that hunt like that but they hunt big country mostly farm land with tree lines not deep brush even tho those patches can be thick they seem to pretty good just have a lot of bulldogs lol I guess the same as bunch of what ever else
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« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2013, 11:21:59 am » |
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I hunt one dog sometimes and pack one bulldog. Some hogs will usually take a bay better with one cur, but I don't do it often cuz I've got young dogs that need work.
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« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2013, 12:08:52 pm » |
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if a hog wants to run he will run...lots of folks will say this...if a hog wants to run in the thick jungle he will run and if he is smart about it will not get caught...most hogs are smart enough...less dogs and dogs that only put a mouth on the hog to stop it is probably best in that scenario...
that same hog that wants to run and get away will probably not be able to do that in open woods with the rough stick to the track kind of dogs...that hog won't run because he can not run...
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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2013, 01:42:53 pm » |
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In my opinion if you have dogs that like to nip at the hog and bite him while he content being bayed up, it makes them break. Basically fighting the hog instead of just committing to catch. This probably ain't always true because there are some that just run. I've seen certain dogs get there and I know what they do and the hog breaks.
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« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2015, 12:53:41 pm » |
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Heavyhitter89 did you ever get that boar hog
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« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2015, 07:47:43 pm » |
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Sounds to me like the hog is a runner and you are encouraging him to run. If he is baying until you get close, then running, it could be you are causing it him to break. Are you going in down wind? how much noise are you making going in? Are you going in alone in stealth mode? Or going in with several others, sound like a bull in the woods. Does your bulldog make a lot of noise and bust brush, or does he just ease into the bay?
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« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2015, 06:22:03 am » |
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Reatj81 I don't think all that stuff you said makes much difference. If you got him bayed good he shouldn't hear much anyway pigs don't hear good to begin. Now smell might make a difference to a degree but in my opinion if he is bayed good all he should smell is my dogs breath lol. Some people over think stuff to much if your going to catch him then you will if not well then try another day. But to think you didn't catch him cuz this and that is just silly I have heard a lot of folks on here say dont make excuses for your dogs lol they don't come with remotes controls. Just my two cents
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« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2015, 08:05:55 am » |
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Honestly I dont have the time to run one 13 hours. I have owned walkers and hounds that would run all day and I would finally have to catch them and get home, work or church. If we cant get him stopped in a couple of hours I am picking up and moving to the next hog. All my dogs catch and if its too big I have a couple that will back off and bay. I go to the woods and catch hogs, I feel like I have hog dogs, if they aint hog dogs I dont know what they are, but they work for me.
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« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2015, 08:33:58 am » |
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Judge I agree with you somewhat, on overthinking it. But I do believe I catch more rank hogs hunting alone, quietly choosing my path to the bay. I have a bulldog that picks and chooses her path to a bay, not hardly breaking a twig. I do believe that it helps catching them smart ones when the bull dogs don't go crashing in advertising they are coming. If I only have a couple of dogs baying I do believe the hogs know when I get close if they have been bayed before. After all, every time they get away we are educating them!
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« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2015, 08:47:57 am » |
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Reatj81 that is a fact specialy if you run hogs all night but if you bay him then get whoop even wors
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« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2015, 10:35:09 am » |
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Groundskeeper that is awesome when a dog can stay with one for 13 hr that's a different kind of a dog and that's cool for the folks who like that and have endless land to hunt. But really after two or 3 hrs he has proved his point he has bottom I would just stop the hog at that point cuz more than likely I ain't where I should be that why I choose grit and speed over bottom. In my thinking any way lol
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« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2015, 01:37:32 pm » |
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I dont fault a person for choosing the long winded, long range, races but it just aint for me. I like them to put the brakes on them in a hurry. Groundskeeper that is awesome when a dog can stay with one for 13 hr that's a different kind of a dog and that's cool for the folks who like that and have endless land to hunt. But really after two or 3 hrs he has proved his point he has bottom I would just stop the hog at that point cuz more than likely I ain't where I should be that why I choose grit and speed over bottom. In my thinking any way lol
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« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2015, 03:17:56 pm » |
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There really is no right or wrong answer when it comes to stopping a rank boar. If he is rank enough to fight the dogs, then he is usually caught with either rough dogs are catchdogs. If he breaks & runs your only choice is a dog with bottom. How much bottom depends on how much property you have to hunt on. This topic might be better titled: stopping running hogs because rank hogs normally fight & then they get caught running hogs, if they run far enough live to run another day.lol RCD's will not do any good unless a hog stays around long enough for them to get their teeth into them. In our brush, if a hog breaks before they get a chance to catch him, then you are off to the races.
My own personal preference is for a dog with bottom. I have had people hunt with me for years bringing dogs that only run 2 or 3 hours & quit & plotts have gone on to bay or catch the hog. Don't get me wrong, I still get outrun, but it is more that I pull them off after a all day race. I don't care what you hunt, the fact is that you will not catch them all.
The other side of the coin like stated above, I can't turn these dogs loose just anywhere. That being said, I can put the breaks on a dog but I can't put a motor in them.
All that being said Hoghunting is just a sport & one we all enjoy so hunt the dogs that give you the most enjoyment. We all get outrun, we have all had that bad boar that has cut us down. Just goes with the territory.
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« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2015, 06:49:14 am » |
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I like lots of grit and lots of bottom...the first chance the dogs have to catch up in the open he will get shutdown...running type catch dogs that catch solid and do so a mile away will not live long in my opinion...either a hog will get them eventually or heat exhaustion will...
the problem with real gritty dogs I have noticed over the years has been that they tend to be bay breakers because they put pressure on a hog in a thick spot etc...and the hog will break and run before enough dogs get there to position themselves to catch the hog...so the hog breaks and runs to another thicket and it just keeps repeating until the hog makes a mistake or gets away...
so the best dog in my opinion is one that is bred to work cattle naturally and has that mentality to want to keep the hogs gathered/stopped yet have that natural mentality to do all it can to stop a hog that wants to break and run...this dog needs to also have the best of hunting traits as well...
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« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2015, 08:53:37 am » |
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Buck shot in the ear works pretty good.
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