Snagged vests

[Black Gold]

CullBuck,

You are right....quilting holds the layers tight together making them work as one.

[Circle C]

I know this may be a little off topic, but do LEO's ever use wet felt for vests?   Or are all vests for LEO's made of kevlar?

[cantexduck]

LEO wear vests for protection agenst bullets. Kevlar is handsdown the best protection(that is practical anyways).

[Circle C]

I thought I read on here someone was talking about vests being worn for shanks at TDC?  Are those kevlar, or some other material?  I think a shank would be awful similar to a tusk, though I can't say I have ever seen an authentic "shank" up close, and don't really care to either

[cantexduck]

hahahaha, I agree Chris.

    The "shank" vest was tested with an ice pick yes.  I think boars tusks are more like a kinife blade. It failed when a knife was used. I have talked to people who have never got a poke in kevlar and some who have.  I have yet to hear about one with the felt. Maybe I am not talking to the right people. I talked to a guy who catchs ALOT of big boar hogs. I went with what he used. I didnt like the kevlar.

[BigAinaBuilt]

WOW! I pass out for a few hours and missed 2 pages of responses! Thank you everyone for your responses and experiences , You've definately got me sold on the vests! I will be sending my order this week and I've already got that feeling of a young kid with the newest toy on the block!

[kevin]

Dogs can and do get hung up.  it doesn't always hang them where they can't get loose but sometimes it does.  I haven't put a vest on a dog in 4 years because of it.  My favorite and best dogo heat stroked from getting hung up.  When I found him the briars were all that was holding him up with the hog no more than 20 ft in front of him.   

I couldn't tell you how many hogs I've seen add another hr to a race because bulldogs get hung up in the vines.

[nosightsneeded]

I think kevlar alone isnt that great. The old RBA vests that the army had before we switch to the new highspeed tactical Flack vests wear nothing but two layers of kevlar with 2 huge a$$ plates one in the front and one in the back. Anyways long story short Just jacking around in 2003 I barely hit my battle with an E-tool in the back (not hard at all)while he was wearing the vest and it cut through both layers to the plate.

That being said I know people have put in more time testing it

I haven't had a dog hang up for too long. The dogs have got to want out of the fence and at the pig

[BigAinaBuilt]

I have been contemplating also getting a tracking system for my dogs so I guess once I get that going then the dog stuck in the thick will not be such a concern, The only reason I do not run tracking collars on my dogs now is because I read the feedback on the DC20s and then the feedback on the DC30s and figured it would be best to just wait it out and see what else becomes available in the near future and besides my pack is a very short range pack and I train my dogs to backtrack me before I introduce them to hogs and the forest.

[W-tate]

Josh at L3 outdoors has some top of the line vest. Real light weight I run them on my bay dogs.   As far as the gaurdin never messed with them yet I think they would be the way to go with a lead in for sure.  Alot of people on here can tell u about the L3 outdoors vest they are tougher then $hit house rats

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

I have a L3, and I really like it. I also have a couple of devastators and use them on my lead in dogs.

[sfboarbuster]

As far as vests go I dont know about them hanging up because ive never used one, but a couple of months ago i had a dog get tangled up in some vines and i had to cut him out of it and all he had was a dayglo collar on, so i guess they can get tangled or caught up either way.

[got2catchem]

Hate to get back on the Kevlar subject, but here we go

 In 1973, researchers at the Army's Edgewood Arsenal responsible for the bullet proof vest design had developed a garment made of seven layers of Kevlar fabric for use in field trials. It was determined that the penetration resistance of Kevlar was degraded when wet. The bullet resistant properties of the fabric also diminished upon exposure to ultraviolet light, including sunlight. Dry-cleaning agents and bleach also had a negative effect on the antiballistic properties of the fabric, as did repeated washing.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/169587.txt

[Mike]

Hate to get back on the Kevlar subject, but here we go

 In 1973, researchers at the Army's Edgewood Arsenal responsible for the bullet proof vest design had developed a garment made of seven layers of Kevlar fabric for use in field trials. It was determined that the penetration resistance of Kevlar was degraded when wet. The bullet resistant properties of the fabric also diminished upon exposure to ultraviolet light, including sunlight. Dry-cleaning agents and bleach also had a negative effect on the antiballistic properties of the fabric, as did repeated washing.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/169587.txt

Yeah but, that's 36 year old kevlar!

[BigAinaBuilt]

While researching the different materials used I came across the same report and saw the claim about getting the material wet degraded it's integrity which caused me to dig deeper into this calim and found that since the sample which the tested then that Kevlar has been revised a nmber of times:
Kevlar 29 1970's
Kevlar 129 1988
Kevlar Correctional 1995

They also revised the material due to testing  something along these lines:
.00 1972
.01 1975 Wet testing lead to revisement in 1978
.02 1985 Revised due to angle shots
.03 1987 Revised again for labeling issues
And they are still testing and moving forward with their product testign till this day.

Here is a Copy & Paste from that exact article posted:

Its Kevlar [registered trademark] brand fiber,
first developed in 1965, was the first material
identified for use in the modern generation of
concealable body armor. Kevlar [registered
trademark] is a manmade organic fiber, with a
combination of properties allowing for high
strength with low weight, high chemical
resistance, and high cut resistance. Kevlar
[registered trademark] is also flame resistant;
does not melt, soften, or flow; and the fiber is
unaffected by immersion in water (see the wet
testing discussion in chapter 5).
 
I also found that the most degrading factor with Kevlar is going to be UV damage so as long as you ain't hanging it out on the barnside in between uses it should hold it's integrity quite well.As far as the research I have done on materials used in vests this is the materials I want on my dogs. Once again just my observations and .02 on the matter!

[got2catchem]

Yeah but, that's 36 year old kevlar!

  Mike, thats why you get paid the big bucks. I am gonna buy all new vests for my CDs here pretty soon, so I am doing a little research. Right now I am considering the Guardian kevlar vest and Tejas felt vest, but am also wanting to see the new Titan vest. I keep looking at different vests and coming up with more info. The water issue worries me with kevlar ,but according to the Kevlar technical guide from Dupont, it has no effect at all on the breaking strength.

http://www.razorbackoutfitters.com/detail.aspx?ID=177
I looked at this vest and did my research on their research to see if their claim could be backed up. It was, but as Mike and BigAinaBuilt have pointed out, that was then and not the case with the kevlar that is used today.

Still looking into felt..... but kevlar is starting to pull ahead...

[wcg89]

I have 19 RCDs

    holy crap!!

[Black Gold]

Today's Dupont Ballistic Kevlar is 100% un-effected by water.  Take it from someone who has worn a bullet-proof vest for most part of the last 10 years......THOSE VESTS GET HOT and get soaked with sweat every day during the summer.  This is salt water on the vest daily.  They HAVE TO be waterproof to meet the standards that today's law enforcement demand and expect.

[uglydog]

Here is another Thought------------------

What are the test results on all other materials?, where is the documented research, please copy and paste it here.


That would be because nothing else has been designed to do that job of protecting FLESH, human or dog, somebody just decided to give it a try and then say "Its the best" There fore there is not any science behind it, like there is in kevlar.

The claim of "Ballistic 1050, Ballistic 1650" those claims are false, that is nothing more than different grades of NYlon & Cordura

One fella got a dog out vines hung up in vest, (Thank YOU Kevin), and another got a dog that did not have a vest hung in vines, so I am thinking that we still don't have proof thata vest hangs a dog up.
I think this is a great thread and would love to see some more input

[mradel]

There is no dought that Kevlar is tuff, but I don't like Kevlar only vests. I feel Kevlar is best used on top of another material to cut down on bruising and stop anything that goes through the Kevlar layers. I have the Devastator and it will stop cuts but I still have gotten a few holes in it from hogs. The thing I didn't like about it was how sore my dog would be after catching a big hog. Think about it a hogs top teeth are like small hammers hitting your dog. They can break ribs and do internal damage to your dog even if the dog never gets cut.