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MrsLouisianaHogDog
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« on: November 13, 2013, 12:19:03 pm » |
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Well, I decided to throw this out there to get a discussion going. This is something that's just been really boggling my mind, so I figured why not hear fellow hunter's insight on the situation. Now we all have our preferences of breed. I'm not talking about that. In this thread, I am addressing coat color, specifically of the Catahoula. Now, as hunters, far and abroad, the general consensus is "It don't matter what the dog looks like, long as it gets the job done." Wellll......why doesn't the same apply with Catahoulas? No one can deny....just look at all the ads for pups, even on baydog classifieds...on personal Cat breeder websites....why is it that colored up pups are always for sale for $100-$150 more than the solids? Why is it that folks are frequently 'stuck' with solid pups last? Had a friend with a litter of very well bred NALC pups.....litter had solids and leopards. Leopards all went first of course. People call and call, but only want leopards....then...they try and talk a man down on the price of a remaining pup just because it's solid!  What's the deal with that? Now, I can see having a litter of well bred pups right in front of ya. It's gonna be a gamble no matter which you pick. So you pick what's most visually appealing to you. Fine. But why the significant price difference? Why try and talk someone down on a pup, just because of the coat color? I figure this may be 'the elephant in the room' type situation here, but I'd love to hear y'alls insight on this. After all, coat color doesn't bay a hog, lol. |
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KevinN
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 01:25:31 pm » |
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No...coat color won't bay a hog but if your gonna get a dog out of a high powered litter...keep it on your yard for years.....Why not pick one that's visually appealing?
As far as prices go...me personally....if I'm gonna buy a pup from someone I wouldn't try to negotiate based on the pups looks. Either you want a pup for said price or you don't.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2013, 01:30:49 pm » |
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No...coat color won't bay a hog but if your gonna get a dog out of a high powered litter...keep it on your yard for years.....Why not pick one that's visually appealing?
As far as prices go...me personally....if I'm gonna buy a pup from someone I wouldn't try to negotiate based on the pups looks. Either you want a pup for said price or you don't.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2013, 03:12:33 pm » |
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The most basic of economics...supply and demand.
There is greater demand for leopards, therefore they bring higher prices.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2013, 04:15:23 pm » |
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lol I dealt with it for years . and this is the very reason the Catahoula's took a big downfall when they became ''popular'' people were breeding just for colors and breeding merle to merle just to get merle . and the nalc was a big part of that . thank you to the leapord hound breeders for putting a restriction on how much white a dog can have to be registered . this will stop the downfall on the hounds as the ''popularity '' becomes greater .
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MrsLouisianaHogDog
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2013, 04:16:17 pm » |
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As I mentioned in my post, I do understand picking a pup out of a well bred litter based off visual appeal. My thing was more the significant price difference of solid vs. leopard. I guess from a sales/marketing standpoint, more people want leopards so people charge more for them.
I was just addressing the whole notion that comes up so often about how looks are secondary to function.
Maybe I didn't word my initial post efficiently. Been a long day.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2013, 04:19:32 pm » |
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Most of the people picking solely off looks, don't know anything about how a hog dog should function, and there lies your problem.
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MrsLouisianaHogDog
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2013, 04:20:50 pm » |
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So then.....
looks DO matter....
if people will pay more hard earned cash for a pup cause it's confetti colored than they'd pay for a solid colored one, even though both pups are bred the same exact way.
Guess that answers my own question, lol.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2013, 05:16:12 pm » |
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I would never buy a pup because of color to tell the truth I like the ugly ones better I don't know how many times I have seen dogs that were good looking that where not worth a flip and the only good thing the owner of the dog could say is it was a good looking dog. I tell the next time pick the ugliest one
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2013, 05:23:24 pm » |
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The most basic of economics...supply and demand.
There is greater demand for leopards, therefore they bring higher prices.
X2 Most people want a dog that's looks are appealing to them. But I think that the merle color is "cool" to have for some people. I have often wondered, same as you, why a person would ask more for a merle colored pup than a solid out of the same litter...the only explanation, is that the person is selling for looks and not ability Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 |
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2013, 05:40:06 pm » |
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Keep in mind also that "want" drives the market more than "need". I bet we can all think of something we paid extra for simply because of "want" when a lesser priced "need" would serve the same purpose. (Vehicle, clothing, home, etc., etc., etc)
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2013, 05:59:23 pm » |
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Keep in mind also that "want" drives the market more than "need". I bet we can all think of something we paid extra for simply because of "want" when a lesser priced "need" would serve the same purpose. (Vehicle, clothing, home, etc., etc., etc)
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2013, 06:41:17 pm » |
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Keep in mind also that "want" drives the market more than "need". I bet we can all think of something we paid extra for simply because of "want" when a lesser priced "need" would serve the same purpose. (Vehicle, clothing, home, etc., etc., etc)
you are right..."want" drives the market more than "need"...but needing can be a necessity...wanting can be a fad... I do know this about me...when I like my dogs I tend to treat them a little better and I enjoy them even more in the woods...I want nice conformation and certain colors best but I have to go with performance first...and I don't like much white on a dog and I like short slick coats and a decent ear... If I were into the catahoulas I would want about the same thing...but dark blue merle with dark tan trim is nice...with one brown eye and the other eye 1/2 brown 1/2 blue, and brown ears...I had one like that as a kid and he was a pretty good dog...of course "Blue" had to be his name... |
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2013, 08:30:50 pm » |
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U would probly be amazed at the number of people that think catahoulas only come in Merle with glass eyes or atleast one glass eye. How many times u seen anyone ask an owner of a colored up dog with a glass eye if it's a catahoula. Probly not many because when they see it they know it is. Now how many times u seen folks ask what kind of dog that solid dog is. People pay more for what they think a dog should look like and is easily distinguished as such. Who wants to pay same price for something they have to explain.
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2013, 09:47:56 pm » |
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I can't understand why someone would waste money on a catahoula anyways...  |
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2013, 10:14:50 pm » |
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I can't understand why someone would waste money on a catahoula anyways... cuz they are awesome lol I got 3 of them |
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MrsLouisianaHogDog
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2013, 11:00:11 pm » |
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U would probly be amazed at the number of people that think catahoulas only come in Merle with glass eyes or atleast one glass eye. How many times u seen anyone ask an owner of a colored up dog with a glass eye if it's a catahoula. Probly not many because when they see it they know it is. Now how many times u seen folks ask what kind of dog that solid dog is. People pay more for what they think a dog should look like and is easily distinguished as such. Who wants to pay same price for something they have to explain.
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MrsLouisianaHogDog
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2013, 11:02:59 pm » |
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When people ask me what kind of dog I have, I say, the kind that hunts lmao
Seriously though....I have leopards and solids. My solid red w/tan trim pup Si goes everywhere with me. If I had a dollar for everyone who said "Oh what a pretty Doberman that is!" I'd be a happy camper haha
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2013, 08:18:58 am » |
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Looks do matter in everything .....to he eye of the beholder. Looks dont neccessarily mean much as far as performance, unless you are talking about breed standards. When people shop for things they are looking to buy something they want and they must perceive "value". Nobody goes to wal-mart and picks the first tomato they see; they look, smell, feel and look some more. Shopping is about looking for options, they are all tomatos, but we have to take a glance at all of them before we pick what we want.
Just like a lite of pups, we look, touch, pick them up, they are all pups! Most people are going to see something they like or dont like and that is what they go off of. We see this less in other dogs becuase the color range is not so wide. If they are calling you on the phone, then the only basis for comparisson they have othere than gender is color. If a solid color dog is not what they are wanting it is within thier buying power to offer less and the seller can accept or not. This isnt something that just happened recently though. I bought my first and only catahoula from Sherry Bando about 8 years ago. When I called and spoke with her on the phone, she said I have one pup left out of her most recent liter. Right way she offered the pup at a discount becuase she was black and tan with brown eyes. She explained to me that many of her customers wanted the colored up dogs. I wanted a catahoula so I paid her for the pup. I was the beholder and I perceived some value in the B&T pup; others didnt.
Yeah you are right, color does matter to the buyer. I have 5 plotts right now, three of them are saddleback color and if I were to walk up to a liter of 6 week old pups and they all acted exactly the same, I would take the smallest female saddleback pup. I know what I like and when it comes to color, I prefer a saddleback.
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KevinN
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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2013, 09:18:25 am » |
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Well said
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