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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2013, 04:23:40 pm » |
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Well, I'm not sure about getting a refund on a dead dog that caught but if your dog from David Thoms doesn't turn out it is refunded pending the dog is in good health. There are plenty of folks that hunt and catch hogs with his dogs, others that shoot over them, just depends on how you want to hunt. If you don't want to pay the $$$ then you need to look elsewhere, he never seems to have an abundance to try to get rid of...just saying...also remember his dogs are working dogs(cattle or hogs) some turn on to one or the other(occasionally a deer dog-tracking), some turn on to both requiring a little work...I know someone that bought one that wouldn't look at a hog, but Mr. Thoms made it right best of my knowledge....don't know Mr. Wright...just a little info...if you are looking for a certain way a foundation dog hunts might be better off finding a finished dogs and paying the Big Money and get what you are looking for...
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2013, 05:15:23 pm » |
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Well, I'm not sure about getting a refund on a dead dog that caught but if your dog from David Thoms doesn't turn out it is refunded pending the dog is in good health. There are plenty of folks that hunt and catch hogs with his dogs, others that shoot over them, just depends on how you want to hunt. If you don't want to pay the $$$ then you need to look elsewhere, he never seems to have an abundance to try to get rid of...just saying...also remember his dogs are working dogs(cattle or hogs) some turn on to one or the other(occasionally a deer dog-tracking), some turn on to both requiring a little work...I know someone that bought one that wouldn't look at a hog, but Mr. Thoms made it right best of my knowledge....don't know Mr. Wright...just a little info...if you are looking for a certain way a foundation dog hunts might be better off finding a finished dogs and paying the Big Money and get what you are looking for...
randy wont make it right. that's 1 reason why I have no use for him, but yes you are right, mr thoms will make it right come hell or high water. |
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2013, 11:08:48 pm » |
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I bought a couple dogs from mr Thoms... From all the talking we done one thing I can remember he told me was that the difference in his dogs and mr wrights is he works his in rough country not in open land... I don't know if y'all seen the country around three rivers but its rough as it comes... He does guarantee money back if the dog isn't winding and baying cows or hogs by a yr as long as that pup was raised right...
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2013, 01:52:50 am » |
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I recommend Rodney Spivey if your looking for yellow dog.
His dogs arent registered with fbmcbo but he will write out pedigree and give you the entire back ground on em.
Honest as they come and doesnt care if guys pups or not.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2013, 09:17:38 am » |
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I agree with Airduster, I have had three of his dogs which were Foundation registered and all turned out good. I have some dogs from Rodney Spivy and there turned out good. Sometimes a little ruff but will get out and find a hog.
I like the Hellkat dog, 4L lil Man, Yellowjacket, Mcaroy's Tank and Spivey's Molly. These are some good woods dogs and producers.
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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2013, 11:34:01 am » |
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David Thoms will make it right.........Only after a lawyer gets involved.....
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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2013, 08:04:59 pm » |
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I hunt yellow dogs but they are not paperd dogs have never seen a paper catch a hog. But on the other hand I keep up with my breeding real close I haven't seen many regesterd dogs that have what I call the total package. Good lean muscle, deap chest cavity for air long legs for a good gate or stride and most of all mental focus.the ones I've seen are very high strung.that doesn't mean they don't exist I just haven't seen them. I'm sure they are around just be careful when you pick them.
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2013, 09:37:47 pm » |
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Gentleman thanks for your pros an cons, but I'm gonna go ahead an try a male pup outta Thoms yard an see how it goes! If anybody knows about Thoms stud dogs could you help me out in my decision!
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2013, 10:09:51 pm » |
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I've raised enough (foundation dogs) to form an honest opinion. The first one I raised I was honestly impressed with. He was not perfect by any means and had his faults (extremely rough and male dog aggressive to name a few) but all in all he was a solid dog. The next two after him were sorry as could be. Said and done, I got rid of all the ones I had and stayed with what I've used for years. I never found the range that I like in Foundation dogs.
Be leary of anyone who claims to not produce culls. Be leary of anyone who doesn't use the dogs they are breeding for the purpose you are wanting them. Be leary of anyone who breeds on pedrigrees alone. Be leary of anyone who claims to breed a dog that will suit everyone.
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I have seen enough to know I won't own one...there are good dogs in every breed of dogs used for hog hunting...and some breeds and strain have a higher cull rate and that is all I have to say about that...I have seen Wrights Cur advertisements way back then...and it was too contradictive for any one dog to be that good...sounded good but no one dog can do what he advertised no matter how good a dog... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2013, 10:27:26 pm » |
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Reuben, as with bryant, i agree with ya on the part of the bs advertisement of nvr a cull n why out of all the other pups fathered by ben, why is it only 2 r well known. Nvr producing a cull is a crock of crap. Even though i own a few of that line, i always ask who ever gets a pup to keep me up dated on them n if they rnt worth a crap, giv me the dog back n it'll b added to bone yard. Iv gotten 2 culls outa this line, culls for hog usage, but the new owners r usin them on cattle n r happy with them, but yet they were culls for my usage
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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2013, 10:42:45 pm » |
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Reuben, as with bryant, i agree with ya on the part of the bs advertisement of nvr a cull n why out of all the other pups fathered by ben, why is it only 2 r well known. Nvr producing a cull is a crock of crap. Even though i own a few of that line, i always ask who ever gets a pup to keep me up dated on them n if they rnt worth a crap, giv me the dog back n it'll b added to bone yard. Iv gotten 2 culls outa this line, culls for hog usage, but the new owners r usin them on cattle n r happy with them, but yet they were culls for my usage
Charles...that is exactly what I have always said...too many cow dogs won't make hog dogs because todays average cow dog is a dog that wind mills and drives cattle to the pen...a cow dog that wants to roll out is a cull...and todays cow dog doesn't need a nose...and a hog dog needs to roll out and must have a nose...there are cow dogs that have to get deep in the woods or swamp to find cows but that is not the norm any more... I did cross a hunting dog with a cow dog and got lucky and got the best of both worlds...I believe one can cross a good hunting dog with a good cow dog and select from there and get good to excellent hog dogs...ok...the crown and Canada dry has loosened up my tongue...   |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2013, 04:40:47 pm » |
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In reply to the original question  . We have Thoms females out of Gato by Colorado and out of Prissy Coyote by Western Astacosa. Each has merits - pups out of our Colorado female tend to me more leggy, great tracking nose and a looser bay. Our pups out of the Western Astacosa female have a HEAP of fire (but can be shy as pups), closer bay (or catch) and smaller in the body. We like and work both but I've based my kennel on the "Western" line. For what its worth both of Davids stud dogs mentioned have been killed in working accidents in the past year or so. I started two Thoms line pups last week, here is a video of them on the second pig that they've seen. They are 4 months and 4 days in the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTKRSw4XLEQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UUt_7U2QvvyrvsEF5EB-SBuwcheers Troy |
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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2013, 02:45:44 pm » |
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David Thoms will make it right.........Only after a lawyer gets involved.....
I was waiting on you to call chime in! |
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2013, 04:53:59 pm » |
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Nothin wrong with those pups aussie!!! Lookin good!!
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2013, 01:24:42 am » |
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Haven't been on here in quite a while, but just as expected the arguments and bickering never change. Lol  Anthony |
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I hunt and breed FBMCBO,inc. dogs. (Weatherford's Ben)
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« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2013, 08:34:25 am » |
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Nothing against your video but not impressed man ...
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« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2013, 09:46:35 am » |
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Their 4 month old pups... what would it take for a 4mo old pup to impress you o great one...
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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2013, 10:02:07 am » |
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Their 4 month old pups... what would it take for a 4mo old pup to impress you o great one...
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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2013, 11:04:52 am » |
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Their 4 month old pups... what would it take for a 4mo old pup to impress you o great one...
Probably running their own hog for a day and a half, settling him to bay and catching on command once the handler arrives like most four month old pups on the net would do. |
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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2013, 09:54:54 pm » |
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Thanks guys for the pros an cons! Everyone does have an opinion, just purchased 3 dogs from David Thoms, 1- finished hog dog from his workers that he has, which did cost a good amount of change an 2 pups he let go at a decent price! Had the finished gyp for a week an she is looser bay an strikes out 200-700yrds an the pups are 6 months each drop them an they didn't have a problem going out an seeing the show!!!
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