Papers!! Papers!!! Papers!!!!

[KevinN]

Astounds me the interest in registered dogs.

Paying for papers!?!

I just don't get it.

[LTcaughthog]

It's just like when people pay too dollar for name brands instead of just getting the same thing (knockoff) for cheaper.. It's all about the "title" of owning a registered dog. Especially when it comes too showing your dogs off. I don't care much for it. I just like catchin pigs lol

[Scott]

It's not the papers that are important...it's the pedigree

[TexasHogDogs]

You don't need papers to have a pedigree.

DON'T YALL KNOW ?

BRAGGIN RIGHTS BABY , BRAGGIN RIGHTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THATS ALL IT IS AND TO SAY I GOT THE TIGHTEST MONKEY PUNK BRED DOG AROUND !

[colecross]

Ive hog hunted along time and papers my be nice to some,ive had my own dogs 25 yrs and have worked and caught hogs with them for along time,i breed enough to keep my yard fresh,and the rest to my dad and brother,no papers just hog dogs.

[charles]

Aint nobody said yaw gotta buy them papered dogs. I know a guy who wont register his dogs, but he keeps a notebook with what dogs were crossed with what, may not be registered, but they r papered so to speak

[colecross]

I get your point charles,we have the same thing its a log and goes all the way bk to my grandad.i guess i do have papered dogs.so to speak,each there own,ive been thinking of getting a couple yellow pups,to start how i wont them to.just havent figured were to get them.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Aint nobody said yaw gotta buy them papered dogs. I know a guy who wont register his dogs, but he keeps a notebook with what dogs were crossed with what, may not be registered, but they r papered so to speak

Better set up a pay attention when ya run across folks  like you just described.

That notebook paper ink had held more great dogs than any stamped and recorded documents.

[KevinN]

^^^I like^^^

[charles]

Aint nobody said yaw gotta buy them papered dogs. I know a guy who wont register his dogs, but he keeps a notebook with what dogs were crossed with what, may not be registered, but they r papered so to speak

Better set up a pay attention when ya run across folks  like you just described.

That notebook paper ink had held more great dogs than any stamped and recorded documents.

Exactly, he dont like all the bs that goes registering dogs but he keeps maticulous records of his breedings and it aint for bragging rights, its so he knows which dogs produced the best dogs n which dogs not to cross over again.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Aint nobody said yaw gotta buy them papered dogs. I know a guy who wont register his dogs, but he keeps a notebook with what dogs were crossed with what, may not be registered, but they r papered so to speak

Better set up a pay attention when ya run across folks  like you just described.

That notebook paper ink had held more great dogs than any stamped and recorded documents.

Exactly, he dont like all the bs that goes registering dogs but he keeps maticulous records of his breedings and it aint for bragging rights, its so he knows which dogs produced the best dogs n which dogs not to cross over again.

True dogmanship at its best.    Keeping it pure and untainted. Doesn't get any better in my book.

[DSmith]

I used to do a lot of duck and goose hunting and sure wanted a top notch labrador to train.  I went through I don't know how many labs I got from 'proven hunting' stock out of the San Antonio Express News Classifieds.  Some were papered, some weren't.  But none of them made the grade.  I was taking all of them to a professional retreiver training to train.  After I don't know how many culls he finally had the courage to ask me, "If you your goal was to buy a horse so you could win the Kentucky Derby, would you start by looking in the news paper?"   
With his help, we found a well bred female in Oklahoma City.  The owner had her flown to Lyons, Michigan and bred her to a top male.  Both dogs were from proven pedigrees and proven stock.  I paid him in advance, $600.  I drove to Oklahoma City to pick her and so began our journey.  That female was worth every penny, going on to win in hunt trials and never embarassing me in front of friends, family, or professional guides where ever we hunted.  Many a guide warned me when I showed up with her, "if she ruins my hunt, it's on you!"  Every one of those guides offered to buy her before the hunt was over.
So knock papers all ya want, they there is a place for them and for people that want to know what they are are getting.
Many of you know of my Boo dog that I got from Chris & Brandee 12 years ago.  Half Plott, half Mt Cur.  A top notch strike dog that has been hunted in just about every environment in Texas, from the panhandle, the big thicket, the rice patties of El Campo, the pines of Tyler area, and the cactus of south Texas.  I never bred her and many have asked why not.  My question was always the same.  Breed her to what?  She's already a half breed.  Breeding her to anything is a crap shoot, a wild gamble at best.  And this world is full of pups from those failed attempts to create the next best dog.
I decided to pass and stick to full blood dogs.  Did I do it because papered dogs hunt better?  Nope, just that I figured if wanted to breed my own dogs, I'd go with a proven line and start with a solid recipe.   
Hog doggers seem to be the only, or at least the leaders of the pack, dog men that love to mix and match when it comes to dogs.  Duck hunters don't cross their labs with another breed to improve their retriever ability.  Men that work stock don't keep breeding their blue healers to other dogs to make them better herders.  Quail hunters don't cross their pointers to make better bird dogs, nor do ropers breed their quarter horses to other breds to make them head and heel better?
But when it comes to hog dogs, burn the papers, muddy the water, and hope for the best.
To each their own, and I wish them the best.  But for every $50 dollar dog I've culled, I could have bought fewer papered dogs and probably been way ahead of the game.  I know, for me at least, I am culling way less and having far better results.  But that's just me and my potlickers.

[KevinN]

Labs, bird dogs, quarter horses?

I doubt ANY of these would benefit by being crossbred. I'm not gonna say I know a damn thing about ANY of the above...but....how many ways are there to retrieve a duck?

Apples and Oranges IMO.

There are MANY different styles of hog hunting. NO ONE DOG fits everyone's style. In an effort to "build" a dog that suites a person perfectly....sometimes crosses are necessary.

Sounds like your crossed up dog and it's abilities only solidify my point.

Is there a registered dog (line) out there that would suite me to a "T"? Don't know....and I'm not really thinking I'm gonna shell out $300-$500 a pup to find out. My unregistered dogs produce pork and I'll just keep chugging along...doing what I'm doing until I "build" exactly what I want.

[DSmith]

 

[charles]

Come to think of it kevin, didnt u buy u register/papered catahoula some time earlier this yr or later last yr? I do recolect u posting about it saying it was ur first papered dog.

[colecross]

Iam with you my cat blood in my yard goes bk to my grandad,wat he wanted,was a dog to find bay and hold hogsandcows in the woods,in his time he had a thousand head of hogs and cows wearing his mark,my dad grew up in this,time,they also wanted a dog that would protect the home place,watch over kids and so forth,they got a dog from aubrey lipsey,and breed it in to there line,thats the only out cross,till this day .and this line of dogs have caught hogs for over a 100 yrs,ive been wanting to cross with one of mr.oval s,plotts for a colder nose.to each there own,it dont take fancy papers to catch hogs.

[Bryant]

A dog being registered is not the problem...the problem lies with people buying those dogs and paying big money under the false pretense that just because they're registered that they are better than anything else.

Every one of my dogs have papers....papers that I've written out and filed in my cabinet.  Perhaps a couple friends and I are hunting and raising the same blood dogs which we are keeping records of and sharing.  That's how most registries are begun.  I really don't see what the fuss is all about unless its simply a jealousy issue.  

If your breeding dogs with a purpose and NOT keeping any records, then your spinning circles.

[charles]

Ooops, nvr mind, it wasnt a yr ago, it was a couple months ago, back in spet u posted her n now ur baffled why anybody wants to buy a papered dog. Aint that the pot callin the kettle black

[KevinN]

Yes I did Charles....and I ended up sending her back...but not for any reason other than a .....? Wrinkle? In my road, lol. Had Nothing to do with the pup or the line.

I can honestly say....I was REAL interested in seeing how she was gonna turn out. Would she have been MY perfect dog? I don't know. I CAN say....if I ever was to get serious about a registered line of dogs....her daddy's line/blood would be where I'd probably start.

[KevinN]

As far as the papers went...they didn't matter... As a matter of fact....it was an ACCIDENTAL breeding. I just wanted a pup out of THAT specific dog. It just so happened that that accident was with another papered dog.

I guess I'm more with Bryant on his way of thinking.