Line breeding ?

[crackae11]

What are the pros and cons of doing a line breeding and what's some of u fellas opinions on it. I have a leggy gyp bays hard and a fast leggy male who bays hard both find there own hogs , I just wanna get some ruff ness out from the last to breeding of my 2 lead dogs . Need some input , need pups and she coming into heat

[7Mhunter]

What are the pros and cons of doing a line breeding and what's some of u fellas opinions on it. I have a leggy gyp bays hard and a fast leggy male who bays hard both find there own hogs , I just wanna get some ruff ness out from the last to breeding of my 2 lead dogs . Need some input , need pups and she coming into heat

How close are these two dogs related?

[crackae11]

From her first litter

[7Mhunter]

So thats her son? Wouldn't be as bad as brother sister cross thats when things get crazy.

[crackae11]

So no one has any input or helpful info on this situation ? 

[craig]

Need more info on what you are wanting to do

You might try the search , this has been talked about a lot over the years

[crackae11]

I did just pops up a number 2 load of classifieds

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Son- Mother cross.....

Wouldn't worry about defects unless the line has been inbred or heavily linebred for awhile. 

Main thing to consider is the dogs to be crossed....

If you are wanting to reproduce common traits the two dogs you have...best way to give it a whirl. 

But it also enhances the bad traits.

Better look at the so called skeletons in the dogs backgrounds ...including the male pups sire, but extremely close on the gyp..That's the one your gonna get a heavy shot of...good and bad.

Weigh the findings and Sling em....or Ring em.

Good luck

[Reuben]

Son- Mother cross.....

Wouldn't worry about defects unless the line has been inbred or heavily linebred for awhile. 

Main thing to consider is the dogs to be crossed....

If you are wanting to reproduce common traits the two dogs you have...best way to give it a whirl. 

But it also enhances the bad traits.

Better look at the so called skeletons in the dogs backgrounds ...including the male pups sire, but extremely close on the gyp..That's the one your gonna get a heavy shot of...good and bad.

Weigh the findings and Sling em....or Ring em.

Good luck

we have discussed this one quite a bit...more than like most are taking a break from this topic... 

but YBM is right...and the other half to what he said is make sure to select the very best from this cross to carry on... otherwise why even do it...selecting the very best offspring is the way to eliminate and/or minimize the undesirable genes...

[crackae11]

Thanks I didn't need a Lon drawn out discussion about it honestly, just didn't wanna do something if regret, like I said I tried to search on topic but it came up with a bunch of line bred dogs for sale . I'm just wanting to see if I can drop a little ruff was from the sons sire's ab blood plus with the runners both the son and gyp are long legged and fast and have loud mouths . Thanks I appriciate it

[t-dog]

It's just my opinion, but there are a lot of variables in this equation. When you add the fact that the dogs are crosses between two breeds as different as curr and bulldog it's even greater. I'm not knocking it just a fact. I have never been very fond of the mother son mating. I was told by old dog men that were very successful not to make the cross and I did it anyway. The results weren't good. It was a line breeding with my family of bulldogs. It's not such a big deal, I don't think, if you are only breeding for a single trait and are not worried about everything else. That's not what your looking for. If I were trying to accomplish what your doing, I would breed the dogs that compliment each other from this family. An example might be the female might have all the desired traits you want except she is slight in the grit department. The male is the same except he is too gritty. For me these dogs would be father/daughter, uncle/niece, cousins, grandmother/grandson, aunt/nephew, even a half brother sister on the side I was trying to breed towards. I would use a dog that was just a little over the line in the grit verses one that was extreme. My experience says not to use the ideal dog to the gyp that is lacking because it will put you right back to where you started, wanting more bite. But, like I said earlier, how tight your gyp is bred will have a major impact and just because you breed to one dog out of a litter that isn't too rough don't mean that he isn't the one in his litter that produces alligators. That's the difficulty in raising crosses, more trial and error. I surely don't know it all this is what I have observed in my attempts of raising dogs. One other thing is once you've raised what your looking for, you gotta start breeding like dogs to one another and prioritize your traits. This genetics thing gets real deep real quick. Learning how to set a gene pool ect. Good luck!

[Bryant]

Here it is put simply...

Linebreeding shouldn't be used to change the dogs traits as much as to breed more consistant dogs like the ones you start with.
No one should ever start with less than near-perfect dogs and expect to greatly refine the offspring through linebreeding.

A solid family of linebred, homozygous dogs cannot be obtained with only a few generations of breeding.

People are often quick to breed two somehow related dogs and call the offspring "linebred" dogs.

Standout, superstar type dogs which stand head and shoulders above the rest rarely occur in linebred families.

[jagdtank]

Here it is put simply...

Linebreeding shouldn't be used to change the dogs traits as much as to breed more consistant dogs like the ones you start with.
No one should ever start with less than near-perfect dogs and expect to greatly refine the offspring through linebreeding.

A solid family of linebred, homozygous dogs cannot be obtained with only a few generations of breeding.

People are often quick to breed two somehow related dogs and call the offspring "linebred" dogs.

Standout, superstar type dogs which stand head and shoulders above the rest rarely occur in linebred families.

thats a fact.

[Hutch33]

Here it is put simply...
Standout, superstar type dogs which stand head and shoulders above the rest rarely occur in line bred families.

Nice posts, to all of yall.

[jagdtank]

it's the right out cross between to line breds that does it but they will be worthless as breeders unless they are crossed back to one line or the other.I know little on breeding but I grew up listening to my dad talk with some good walker men. look in coon hound bloodlines sometime, at the big winners ;they are usually an outcross between two tightly line bred familys.

[craig]

Crackae11
Go find a dog like you are looking for and buy it !!!

I have been line breeding my cur dogs for 10 years , it's a slow process to get what you want.

[crackae11]

I've got some other dogs from some buddies that are workin out hoping to mix in the future , I don't like buying someone else's dog to many variables I how it's gonna work for me . Both the mother n son are one in the same dog which I greatly like ,the  sire is cat with 1/4 ab and he's find and catch , the 2 I wanna breed are find and bay the pants off that's what I'm trying to accomplish in breeding these two , I've gotten really bored to the point the sire is kinda being used as a walk in catch dog because I wanna get in and watch my dogs workin te hog then get there and him hanging from it. This the reason for wanting to try this breeding. They gyp is yella cur dog , sire is the cat 1/4 ab and the son I'm wanting to breed is a obviously mix of the 2 . And what I was hoping to get at is there won't be so much roughness in them . So if I don't decide to do it another possibility would be to see if a lead dog of one my buddy's has the same traits as my gyp breed them to and breed those pups back into my dogs down rd . I dunno just a lot to think about

[craig]

Yes sir, a lot to consider .     What I would recommend is take the pure breed gyp back to a pure bred dog with the traits you are looking for and start there.

[Reuben]

Yes sir, a lot to consider .     What I would recommend is take the pure breed gyp back to a pure bred dog with the traits you are looking for and start there.

x2...if she is scatter bred even though she is bmc then there will be lots of variability even when breeding her to a pure bmc...but you have a better chance of getting what you want going that route...like already mentioned...breed to a male that has all the qualities you like and if he is tight bred the better...

[crackae11]

She's not BMC just a cur dog one them yella fl curs