I apologize for creating a thread full of drama

[Bo Pugh]

So a Florida cur can't be created from scratch in 62 days from a redbonexpitt I got ya they are a breed from way back yonder kind of like the Parker dogs or catahoulas or whatnots ,Junior tell us a little about your dogs if you will. How do you hunt them do you track hunt or road them or will they cast and kick rocks or do you get a visual. And are they open are silent on a track and I like to hear about bottom in a dog how long will they run a hog on average? I know all dogs are a little different even with the same breed and off the same yard but I'm just asking because I'm uneducated on the Florida curr. It's easy to sound like a smart@$$ on the computer and I'm not trying to be I'm just curious about the dogs. I bet one day there will be a Texas cur it will probably originate from a dogo and a blue tick.

[dodgegirl]

That's what it sounds like shotgun wg. I'm gonna have to ask my elders why they've been lyin to me lol.

[BIG CHRIS]

I would assume a lacy and a east tx ybmc make up texas curs. And a catahoula is a la cur.

[sfboarbuster]

You couldn't recreate a Florida cur today because they aren't used for like they once were. That's what made the dogs that we have today. You're not going to go out and gather truly wild cattle on open range today. Most people say they started with bulldog and hound, by bulldog that does not mean pit. There is a big difference between the two.


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[TheRednose]

You couldn't recreate a Florida cur today because they aren't used for like they once were. That's what made the dogs that we have today. You're not going to go out and gather truly wild cattle on open range today. Most people say they started with bulldog and hound, by bulldog that does not mean pit. There is a big difference between the two.


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What type of bulldog are you referring to then? Most people who bred performance bred pit bulls back in the day called them bulldogs not pits, in fact in most of those circle they are still referred to as bulldogs not pits. Thats kind of a newer term for them. I thought the only bulldogs around in the U.S. in the late 1800's and early 1900's were bulldogs (apbt's)? Just curious about these other type bulldogs (size, weight, where they came from)?

[justincorbell]

I have an offer to make, purely because i am 100% unbiased and ignorant to the "fl cur dog" i have 2 upcoming litters of southeast texas yellow blackmouth pups, the daddy to both is my best dog, and the best ive ever iwned, the momma to 1 of the litters is ine if the top 5 dogs ive ever hunted behind and the other mommas' littermate brother is another top of the line dog, bonnie is a great dog but she's no rockstar and im not afraid to admit it, she throws great pups off of my smoke dog, i have references, members in this board who have pups out if her that will tell you that the pups out of this cross will hunt.

With that said i would like to post an open to the public offer, anyone with a fl cur pup or future fl cur litter is elligible, i will pay for shipping from you to me, i would like to send one of my pups to you in return for you sending 1 to me, purely from an educational standpoint i'd like to see how my dogs work over that way. I 'd prefer to send to someone in florida with working florida currs. I am not taking a shot at anyone, i honestly would like to see one of these fl. Currs for myself! Post here or pm me or text/call at 409-926-7505..... Call anytime, if i dont answer then leave me a message. Thanks.

These are my smoke dog and zoey, one of the best ive ever hunted behind, just to get an idea on the avg. size of what i hunt..... If anyone is interested let me know.

[justincorbell]

Btw, these dogs are rough rough rough, if you arent into rough dogs please dont respond.

[Scott]

You couldn't recreate a Florida cur today because they aren't used for like they once were. That's what made the dogs that we have today. You're not going to go out and gather truly wild cattle on open range today. Most people say they started with bulldog and hound, by bulldog that does not mean pit. There is a big difference between the two.


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What type of bulldog are you referring to then? Most people who bred performance bred pit bulls back in the day called them bulldogs not pits, in fact in most of those circle they are still referred to as bulldogs not pits. Thats kind of a newer term for them. I thought the only bulldogs around in the U.S. in the late 1800's and early 1900's were bulldogs (apbt's)? Just curious about these other type bulldogs (size, weight, where they came from)?

The predecessor to what is now known as the American Bulldog. Commonly known in the southeast as a White English...but definitely not the AKC English. Dogs are thought to have decended from the Alano. Were these dogs intermingled with APBT? It would be foolish to believe they were not...exactly how much? Who knows. The "breed" American Bulldog was "established" by two men in the late 60's early 70's from old farm bulldogs. Their history is debateable at best and their progression is divergent as it gets.

[dodgegirl]

I have an offer to make, purely because i am 100% unbiased and ignorant to the "fl cur dog" i have 2 upcoming litters of southeast texas yellow blackmouth pups, the daddy to both is my best dog, and the best ive ever iwned, the momma to 1 of the litters is ine if the top 5 dogs ive ever hunted behind and the other mommas' littermate brother is another top of the line dog, bonnie is a great dog but she's no rockstar and im not afraid to admit it, she throws great pups off of my smoke dog, i have references, members in this board who have pups out if her that will tell you that the pups out of this cross will hunt.

With that said i would like to post an open to the public offer, anyone with a fl cur pup or future fl cur litter is elligible, i will pay for shipping from you to me, i would like to send one of my pups to you in return for you sending 1 to me, purely from an educational standpoint i'd like to see how my dogs work over that way. I 'd prefer to send to someone in florida with working florida currs. I am not taking a shot at anyone, i honestly would like to see one of these fl. Currs for myself! Post here or pm me or text/call at 409-926-7505..... Call anytime, if i dont answer then leave me a message. Thanks.

These are my smoke dog and zoey, one of the best ive ever hunted behind, just to get an idea on the avg. size of what i hunt..... If anyone is interested let me know.

Justin I would take you up in that offer in a heart beat.... But I just found out I don't have real fl curs so I'm out lol.

[hoghunter71409]

To the original topic, no apology needed.

Since we are talking about FL cures, sorry to bust any bubbles but I don't believe there is any such thing as a FL cur.  Here is why- is their a GA cur, a AL cur, a MS Cur?  No their is not.

Research I did years ago showed me that Catahoulas originally came to the US by the Spanish.  The Spanish originally came here and settled in FL.  I believe this is why many of the dogs in FL called FL curs have so much  cat in ithier bloodline.  Growing up in SW FL I saw many cur dogs that were bred with a little bulldog in them.  Crackers bred cur dogs to be extremely tough, resistant to the heat, and I believe the dogs called FL curs were started at catahoulas and had some bulldog in them.  Since they were not bred for color, not all of them look like cats and the crosses over the years have produced yellow and a lot of black and tans.

[Rooster79]

Good luck tryin to figure out the ingredients. Y'all can dig all you want, but that information is gone like a fart in the wind. I have read a few theories but thats all they are. They didn't keep records or papers because It was all logged in their brains, and they didn't do it to make a dollar. It's not some magical secret. The old timers bred what worked for them and kept doing it for generations. Whomever came up with the Florida cracker cur slogan needs to be kicked in the rear for creating a bunch of stupid hype. To me they are just a dog. Mine work for me but they may not suit you. I worked all over the state and seen every size shape and color, so obviously they all have very different backgrounds. Just depends on what region, county, or ranch your on. Seen good ones and bad ones. Breed what you got, work them hard, and cull harder. Do all that, and in the end you should be happy

[Shotgun wg]

Good luck tryin to figure out the ingredients. Y'all can dig all you want, but that information is gone like a fart in the wind. I have read a few theories but thats all they are. They didn't keep records or papers because It was all logged in their brains, and they didn't do it to make a dollar. It's not some magical secret. The old timers bred what worked for them and kept doing it for generations. Whomever came up with the Florida cracker cur slogan needs to be kicked in the rear for creating a bunch of stupid hype. To me they are just a dog. Mine work for me but they may not suit you. I worked all over the state and seen every size shape and color, so obviously they all have very different backgrounds. Just depends on what region, county, or ranch your on. Seen good ones and bad ones. Breed what you got, work them hard, and cull harder. Do all that, and in the end you should be happy

To the cowboys they were just dogs breed to do a job as well. I would bet it wasn't a cowboy that came up with the name either but some city slicker.

I have hunted with old guys and asked what kind of dog is that? It's a dog was the response. They cared less what u called it as long as it did the job intended.


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[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

I just find it crazy that on a few actual hog hunting FL residents' facebooks and whatnot that I have glanced through, I see them referring to some of their dogs at FL Curs, a lot, yet when I see people commenting on their pics and asking what they're made up of, there's no answer.

I guess then, in TODAY'S day and age,  the term FL cur that is being used by actual FL residents, to refer to dogs that they are feeding TODAY, is just a blanket nickname then simply because they're whatever cur crosses and they live in FL?   

 

[Rooster79]

Exactly, ask an old cow man down there if he has any Florida Cracker Curs and I'm sure you will receive a very strange stare. You can call them whatever you want, I don't care and don't judge but yes it seems to be what you call a blanket term.

[setxhogdogs]

To the original topic, no apology needed.

Since we are talking about FL cures, sorry to bust any bubbles but I don't believe there is any such thing as a FL cur.  Here is why- is their a GA cur, a AL cur, a MS Cur?  No their is not.

Research I did years ago showed me that Catahoulas originally came to the US by the Spanish.  The Spanish originally came here and settled in FL.  I believe this is why many of the dogs in FL called FL curs have so much  cat in ithier bloodline.  Growing up in SW FL I saw many cur dogs that were bred with a little bulldog in them.  Crackers bred cur dogs to be extremely tough, resistant to the heat, and I believe the dogs called FL curs were started at catahoulas and had some bulldog in them.  Since they were not bred for color, not all of them look like cats and the crosses over the years have produced yellow and a lot of black and tans.

I knew it!!!! I knew it!!  At the heart of every good argument is a good old Catahoula!!!

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[cajunl]

It was not till the 60's or so when people HAD to label every type of cur dog. That was the birth of the catahoula. The came the "blackmouth" cur registration. Before that the only label was color. A yella dog was a yellow cur, a black was a black cur dog, a spotted was a leopard cur. So you cannot define exactly where the catahoulas or the bmc's came from 100 years ago so the fl cuts are the same.

[halfbreed]

  exactly !  dogs were bred for work back in them days and most dogs were bred from whatever good working dogs were available . some family's after getting some good working dogs didn't have to go outside of their family or ranch to breed a dog BUT they started out as ol country dogs of many breeds that had to earn their cornmeal mush and scraps  .

[Rooster79]

Yep, they bred them for their way of life(cows and critters) and not for popularity contests or money.

[rdjustham]

Guess ill add my two cents in since im a florda resident with "fl curs".

Now no offense intended but, my dogs were simply yellow curs off an old cow line before i found this forum.  Once i started snooping on the net i found that people classified dogs.   We always did it by color, with the exception of spotted dogs, they were leopards.

I have my opinion on what i like a dog to look like and how i like them built but that doesnt mean my dogs are "real fl curs" and yours arent.  Now can you recreate what all the cowboys and ranchers of two hundred years ago did?   No, why? Cause all the men and women who created them died with the dogs original purpose.

[jpuckett]

It sounds to me that if dodgegirls dogs look like Florida curs and hunt like florida curs then the only thing keeping them from being Florida curs is the fact that her family kept good records and they know what's in em? Good lord now I've heard it all!! Don't let anyone talk down on ur dogs dodgegirl. If you like em, and they hunt the way you want then who cares what others on here think.