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« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2014, 10:44:32 am » |
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Dino, I've had some personal interactions with the man. I have seen his reactions/responses to not only me, but multiple different people for well over a decade. He has "turned" on countless "friends" over the years. He started off with ABs then they became OSW/Alabama Bulldogs, and now are White English Bulldogs. Funny thing is, that they are still the same stock that he started with. I have personal knowledge of how he treats his "friends". I wouldn't trust the man as far as I could throw him. He is nothing more than a used car salesman...and he even gives them a bad name. The above is not news to anyone in the working bulldog community. They know the man has never worked a dog a day in his life.
To each their own, but anyone with knowledge of the man and how he conducts himself not only with dogs but people could never in good consciousness refer someone looking for a working dog to him. If he's grown a set and would care to "debate" or offer proof to disclaim what I have said...send him an invite here. I'll gladly take it up with him. But, that'll never happen...the man will not visit a board that he cannot delete or edit posts of others for his benefit.
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« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2014, 07:13:42 pm » |
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I know 1 thing about anerican bulldogs and that is that is that i dont know jack about american bulldogs lol. In all seriousness though i will say this, i have hunted behind either 4 or 5 AB's that come out of "scotts" dogs on here, granted 4 or 5 isnt a bunch in the big picture but I know that If the guys that owned em turned em loose on a rhino, come hell or high water those bulldogs would be on that rhino's ear when we got there. Very very well built solid bulldogs with good dispositions and a hard bite. Im not in the market for an AB but if I were he would be the first person i would contact.
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« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2014, 07:28:28 pm » |
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the first one i ever saw i didnt know what the hell it was, that was back in 92 in phenix city alabama. I hadnt heard about bmc, mtn curs, catahoula etc.. until i started checking out this site. the first time i saw a pitbull i was a kid and didnt know what it was. they were rare and not many people had them. bulldogs are my thing(apbt/am bulls) and i try and learn as much as possible about them. my brother inlaws nephew is into the blue pits. ask him about bloodlines, he gives me colors; rednose/bluenose/tiger stripped. he breeds as most do for profit with no thought on producing better dogs.
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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2014, 08:57:57 pm » |
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Dino, I've had some personal interactions with the man. I have seen his reactions/responses to not only me, but multiple different people for well over a decade. He has "turned" on countless "friends" over the years. He started off with ABs then they became OSW/Alabama Bulldogs, and now are White English Bulldogs. Funny thing is, that they are still the same stock that he started with. I have personal knowledge of how he treats his "friends". I wouldn't trust the man as far as I could throw him. He is nothing more than a used car salesman...and he even gives them a bad name. The above is not news to anyone in the working bulldog community. They know the man has never worked a dog a day in his life.
To each their own, but anyone with knowledge of the man and how he conducts himself not only with dogs but people could never in good consciousness refer someone looking for a working dog to him. If he's grown a set and would care to "debate" or offer proof to disclaim what I have said...send him an invite here. I'll gladly take it up with him. But, that'll never happen...the man will not visit a board that he cannot delete or edit posts of others for his benefit.
OK, Scott. I respect your opinion and your right to express it. I would be lying if I said I had any negative experiences with Ralph. I just remember how upset I was when somebody who never even knew me claimed I added Dogo to my Painter dogs. That really stuck in my gut and like I said, Ralph was always really nice to me when we spoke over the phone. He was very enthusiastic about maintaining the near extinct white english blood line not polluted with Scott, Johnson, or Painter blood. |
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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2014, 09:39:21 pm » |
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Dino, it never made any sense to me that an AB breeder would add Dogo and then try and hide it. You can sure get alot more money for a Dogo pet than for a performance AB. Just doesn't pass the common sense test does it? I've never believed that theory. just doesn't fit....from a time perspective or monetary perspective.
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« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2014, 10:31:21 pm » |
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When you say Painter are you sure you don't mean Kershner? Those are two different strains bred by different people using different dogs. And Scott is a right in his response to you about the referral. I know from personal experience.
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« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2014, 07:37:42 am » |
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Mr. Bryant those r some good lookin dogs. Looks like they can bring the pain
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« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2014, 04:57:54 pm » |
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I have one for free if any one wants her
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« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2014, 07:07:36 pm » |
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When you say Painter are you sure you don't mean Kershner? Those are two different strains bred by different people using different dogs. And Scott is a right in his response to you about the referral. I know from personal experience.
Hello Crib, No, I don't mean Rod Kershner. I mean Joe Painter. I bought my first two American Bulldogs off of him in the 1980's when he lived in Chicago. He had his famous Sgt. Rock dog and a some other good ones too. Joe was always bragging on how game Rock was, but when I offered to bring one of my catchweight pits with me he clammed up real quick. I liked him anyway. He sold me two really good male pups that turned out really well. I spoke to Kershner much later, back in the mid nineties maybe. He purchased the GABC registration from Painter and had a few Painter dogs that he freely admitted he added his strain of pitbull to in order to "clean up the gene pool". My friend saw his dogs and said they all looked good and were very well taken care of. I never bought anything from him though. I remember his pitbulls were a light reddish color, forgot the bloodline. He did not stay with American Bulldogs very long. Painter got most of his early dogs from Allen Scott or Allen's cousins in Alabama. I think one was named Larry Wright. Joe purchased about 75 dogs from Allen and said there were only about 12 that he felt were pure bulldog. Most he claimed were cur or great dane mixes. Never believe everything Painter says. Contact me if you want at gerardjohn26@yahoo.com |
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« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2014, 07:59:50 pm » |
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hi john, welcome to the board. hope you are doing well.
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« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2014, 08:11:36 pm » |
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devil, i have had and used a lot of different ab blood on hogs over the past i think 16 years. my favorite was my old petey dog wheo was out of my old kershner bitch fullers pretty patches when i bred her to souzas/van hooses koa of boyd. petey was the bulldog you wanted you had the biggest baddest hogs you could find. my sam dog who came from lem miller/joshua kennels was a great woods dog for me for many years and actually a better winded dog than petey. i still have peteys 12 year old son jack though hes got bad legs, busted out teeth and blind. and i have a 2 year old grt grt grandson of patches here also. i used quite a few hybreds and a few stright bred standards . i dont recall the post but i managed to put some of my old pictures on this board a while back. scott and bryant on here both have good woods dogs in their abs .
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« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2014, 08:14:33 pm » |
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there are also others on this board with very good woods abs , britt garcia for one. i surely dont meant to slight anyone.
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« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2014, 08:39:53 pm » |
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thanks mr.fuller, i have looked at juan and tico(jam up bulldogs) they have some very good looking dogs and the bloodline that got my blood to pumpin-hines bred. the most important thing is the working ability of the individual dog with a pedigree that says what he is capable of based on his kinfolks and what they did. doesn't always work out but we have a blueprint of sorts to build on
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« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2014, 10:49:46 pm » |
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When you say Painter are you sure you don't mean Kershner? Those are two different strains bred by different people using different dogs. And Scott is a right in his response to you about the referral. I know from personal experience.
Hello Crib, No, I don't mean Rod Kershner. I mean Joe Painter. I bought my first two American Bulldogs off of him in the 1980's when he lived in Chicago. He had his famous Sgt. Rock dog and a some other good ones too. Joe was always bragging on how game Rock was, but when I offered to bring one of my catchweight pits with me he clammed up real quick. I liked him anyway. He sold me two really good male pups that turned out really well. I spoke to Kershner much later, back in the mid nineties maybe. He purchased the GABC registration from Painter and had a few Painter dogs that he freely admitted he added his strain of pitbull to in order to "clean up the gene pool". My friend saw his dogs and said they all looked good and were very well taken care of. I never bought anything from him though. I remember his pitbulls were a light reddish color, forgot the bloodline. He did not stay with American Bulldogs very long. Painter got most of his early dogs from Allen Scott or Allen's cousins in Alabama. I think one was named Larry Wright. Joe purchased about 75 dogs from Allen and said there were only about 12 that he felt were pure bulldog. Most he claimed were cur or great dane mixes. Never believe everything Painter says. Contact me if you want at gerardjohn26@yahoo.comYeah he told me most of that. He was a good friend of mine. Not sure if you knew or not but he passed in Sept. I learned a lot from him. I met Larry wright before actually. Seen pics of Lady Lujo, Trashman, Oakhill Paul aka Buck. I agree that the dogo stuff people come up with when it comes to the bama boy dogs is absolute nonsense. |
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« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2014, 09:26:06 am » |
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pretty sure the APBT blood Kershner used to cross into the ABs was down from Mayfield.
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« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2014, 11:21:10 am » |
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pretty sure the APBT blood Kershner used to cross into the ABs was down from Mayfield.
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« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2014, 12:14:08 pm » |
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pretty sure the APBT blood Kershner used to cross into the ABs was down from Mayfield.
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« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2014, 12:34:04 pm » |
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mayfields braskin was the apbt kershner was open about using in his ab program. but cole little told me kershner most likely used 2 other apbts also . and where the apbt was used is also pretty screwed up.kershner told me that in some peds where it shows tappes big boy brutus , he was really used but in others braskin was used and the papers said it was brutus.
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« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2014, 02:16:41 pm » |
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Smh..why not just tell the truth since he already admitted to using the pits blood. Makes no sense.
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