Strait Catch Yellow Black Mouths. (Who is interested)?

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

The problem is... will the offspring catch also?

They are cur dogs...

That's a fact.  So far we only have one breeding to compare. We had about a 40% success with straight catch. But the gyp was not a straight catch.....just extremely rough. We are hoping to find a straight catch Yeller gyp to continue experimenting.

Finding being the issue.  They seem to be very elusive that hold everything we are wanting without having known crosses in the background.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Well heck... I meant to add hunt in there. I was asking you to repeat that part about them not hunting. Tell me what that looks like in the woods. Thanks fit the thread! I've read your posts before and wondered what you had going on down there!

Sorry man.....missed your question earlier.

Out of six separate males we have currently that are under this umbrella. There are two that will actually get out and hunt a little. Both of these will typically catch anything under bout 220 alone but have been backed up by a sure baddun. Together they will catch a grizzly.  I class these two as Rcd or Poacher style dogs.

The others are zero bark....straight in and hit. Haven't got these to back up at all yet. Down side is minimal hunt....as in they don't.  So we classify these as lead in dogs.

All honor a bay or they dont get a second chance to prove it.

Gotta understand......these are complete experimental dogs. Room for improvement ...harsh criticism ....and Skeptism is what we do everyday with them to see if they are worth keeping or continuing to fool with. Reaching out for more views and thoughts. We may even send a few out to the field for opinions when I think the combo is dependable and solid.

So far we are around two years into this project and we have been very happy. To the point the bulldogs that my partners keep are staying at the house regularly and are in danger of losing their job permanently.

Thanks for everyones thoughts.  Very welcomed and appreciated. Look at this a think tank post. Continue with thoughts or concerns.  Both help.

[Bryant]

My only fear would be the "cur" attributes coming out at exactly the wrong time.

Full catch or not, cur dogs just aren't bred with the same grit that bulldogs are.  Interesting challenge you guys have taken on.  Especially due to the fact that what your looking for would by most accounts be considered straight culls.

Also interesting is the fact that someone earlier in the discussion would consider straight-up generations old cow bred dogs to be these kind of dogs.  Every single person I know of that works cows would be handing out dirt naps to dogs that continuously caught out.  To me, a cow-bred dog should be one of finess and working style...a get ahead and bunch them type dog.  Surely not one that uses his mouth very often.

Good luck, and I look forward to hearing about your progress.  Just as a sidenote, I keep American Bulldogs (although they're not yellow...and have no black mask) for all the reasons you don't keep pits.

[Jimt3]

Sorry man.....missed your question earlier.

No problem! I enjoyed your other convos too.

We run a nice line of baying BMCs, I have a pup gyp that is sure enough gritty, she's just started in the bay pen at around 8 mos and she bays well, hopefully she'll stay a bay dog. But if she doesn't then we'll have to put our heads together. Also I'd probably try out a pup from your catchy dogs if the timing was right, I like the idea of a straight catch cur. But I hate to have to walk through dogs ins the woods. So I don't love the no hunt aspect. We have a couple of good pits that aren't dog aggressive. The only dog we had that was dog aggressive was a straight catch cur our buddy sold us. Dang dog kept us on our toes until we got tired of it.

[BIG BEN]

Sign me up for one if they are 100 percent trustworthy catchdogs, I'd love to do away with pits in my pack.

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[JUNIOR SEFFERN]

Bryant, it has been mentioned several times on a couple of threads talking about Florida dogs. There is a difference in a dog out of these bloodlines working hogs vs cows. When these dogs hog hunt they know to catch and have no bay. When they cow hunt, they listen! They have a handle on them that is second to none. They know when there is a run off and we send them to catch it and anchor it until we bring it back in. There is a big misconception on Florida dogs just being catchy dogs. They are when they know they are suppose to be. When I say they are smart I truly mean they are smart as a whip. I have seen some of the older dogs work a set of cows with hogs right there in the day time and not once try a hog. I have seen the same dogs be loaded up at night to go hog hunting and run through a set of cows and go catch a hog. These dogs are catchy because they had to be to make a living. The old cow men day worked catching and penning true wild cattle day in and day out.

[jdt]

ybm i'm interested, i don't like to fool with a bulldog . also if you can get'em bred to catch a big bull by the nose on command and turn loose when i get a couple a rope on him i'll give you a premium hahaha j/k

[UNDERDOG]

Bulldog racist......

[aussie black mouth curs]

Well heck... I meant to add hunt in there. I was asking you to repeat that part about them not hunting. Tell me what that looks like in the woods. Thanks fit the thread! I've read your posts before and wondered what you had going on down there!

Sorry man.....missed your question earlier.

Out of six separate males we have currently that are under this umbrella. There are two that will actually get out and hunt a little. Both of these will typically catch anything under bout 220 alone but have been backed up by a sure baddun. Together they will catch a grizzly.  I class these two as Rcd or Poacher style dogs.

The others are zero bark....straight in and hit. Haven't got these to back up at all yet. Down side is minimal hunt....as in they don't.  So we classify these as lead in dogs.

All honor a bay or they dont get a second chance to prove it.

Gotta understand......these are complete experimental dogs. Room for improvement ...harsh criticism ....and Skeptism is what we do everyday with them to see if they are worth keeping or continuing to fool with. Reaching out for more views and thoughts. We may even send a few out to the field for opinions when I think the combo is dependable and solid.

So far we are around two years into this project and we have been very happy. To the point the bulldogs that my partners keep are staying at the house regularly and are in danger of losing their job permanently.

Thanks for everyones thoughts.  Very welcomed and appreciated. Look at this a think tank post. Continue with thoughts or concerns.  Both help.

Myles,

can you chuck some water wings on one and point him in my direction please?   

Gret great greeat thread.  What you describe as poacher type dogs awould be awesome here on wheat stubbe.

cheers

Troy

[hillbilly]

will just one of them catch a 300 pd. boar by itsself with no bark or back up? This is my concern but don't get me wrong always wanted a couple straight catch curs

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Another good point..

To all accounts these have been considered culls for many years. Have even introduced several to the cullinator myself throughout the years.  Guess what has spurred this little experiment has been the ongoing changes in woods hogs.
We have attempted to evolve our bay dogs to stay compatible with the type of hogs and terrain we hunt.

The russians have spawned a multi dimensional animal that is faster, smarter and more aggressive than any of the older rooter hogs that were native years ago.  The most successful way we have witnessed in these heavy thickets of dealing with them....has been said before on here...(Immediately catch them...or run the air out of them).

We got the range and bottom. Now we are working on the immediate catch aspect.

Funny the cow dog aspect came up...due to one of these test dogs coming to us as a failed cow dog. Caught one to many bulls. (Haha).

We do and are continuing the concerns on being able to reproduce the traits. But hopefully that will come from slinging and ringing...

Ok Bryant...Yes I know I am....shhhhhhhh 

Troy...dunno if I have that many stamps to stick on ones butt.

Tom...yes we have a couple now that will catch solely on one that big..no bark and some that require two with almost no bark.  That being a true 300# with an attitude.   

Again to all.. dont get this confused with any type of hunting aspect in mind. Solely utilized as catch dogs.

Continued great points and ideas from all.  Thank ya gents

[Purebreedcolt]

I have a female and would love to have another one or 2 male or female

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[Bo Pugh]

I think it could be bad to have a catch dog that had a little more brains than he should. A lot of currs has a lot of common sense and will get back if it starts getting to ruff but like a bulldog they really don't have enough reasoning to know it's a bad situation and let go or whatnot. That would be the only concern to me. I know a bulldog can take it just don't know about how many cur dogs can and I'm talking about in a average litter of pups. I have a half jag  half catahoula that is a little dog and he thinks he's a bulldog he's either going to be caught or laid down cut up he's as ruff and catchy as anything I have ever seen but when he starts getting wrecked he won't stay there like a bulldog would he don't have the same grit I don't guess that I would just think it would be hard to consistently breed them type of dogs up. Good luck to you

[jdt]

i think it could be done , it'll take a few generations but there are still bulldogs that get culled for not catchin solid .

but in my background i'm used to mostly curdogs that catch when i get there and i pick my opportunity at getting a leg .

when i'm catchin cattle i use a dog to keep him/her stopped or at least stay with it and bark till i can get there and get a rope on it .

if i was a straight hog hunter i would want a die hard bulldog that i could get along with .

   and no i'm not racist , i had a black bulldog 1 time , i culled him for being lazy and stealing 

[hookem54]

Here are a few of mine
July

Ike (one eyed because of it)

Cricket

[T-Bob Parker]

My opinion is worth a fart in a whirlwind, so here goes.
Yellow-curdom doesn't need any more no hunting yellow curs in it, the peanut gallery keeps the world stocked with over gritty no hunting yeller dogs as is.

There are well behaved, trustworthy bulldogs who don't pull, don't whine, and can do anything you'll accomplish with this experiment (maybe better   ) already in existence.

For the life of me I don't understand what anyone would want with cur dogs of any color that don't hunt? Too many of those already.

[Reuben]

The problem is... will the offspring catch also?

They are cur dogs...

that is a good question...but I think it is doable just might take a few generations...

[Shotgun66]

Sounds like a good idea and a worthy experiment. I could see you sacrificing some jaw and combat durability. Cut em from the right distance and get there quick to solve that. Probably need to have a pair of em. We currently cut 2 bulldogs to most bays anyhow. I could also see you gaining a more athletic catch dog that will take a more intelligent approach to catching. By that I mean work in tandem with your bay dogs to get an open ear from behind and catch clean. Avoid the kamikaze frontal assaults we see alot of bulldogs take. Temperament would be important to me as well. This has become a major cull factor for our kennel. Bulldogs are born and bred warriors to a fault sometimes. Your idea should alleviate some of those concerns.
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All this being said, a GOOD bulldog with the right temperament is nice to have.     

[Easttex91]

What about mr. Months line for yalls female? I thought he had a line that did nothing but catch

[Shotgun66]

You might also get better heat tolerance and have fewer heat stroke concerns for summer huntin with the yella catchin curs.