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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2014, 08:44:04 am » |
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I have been told that TSL Delight was a Mountain Cur. And that came from a reliable source. So if you have a bobtailed foundation dog trace it back to see if it goes back to Delight. Her blood is in a lot of Foundation dogs.
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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2014, 09:09:54 am » |
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I have been told that TSL Delight was a Mountain Cur. And that came from a reliable source. So if you have a bobtailed foundation dog trace it back to see if it goes back to Delight. Her blood is in a lot of Foundation dogs.
Quoted from Sam Piper's website in Virginia. ( http://www.blackmouthcur.com/borne_in_the_bone_kennel.htm) ...My oldest Female is TLS Delight. She was bred by the Adam's Braford Ranch in Florida which at that time didn't keep records on their dogs. If a dog didn't work cattle, they didn't keep it. I was given to understand that they were primarily concerned about working ability and health in their dogs, not registrations. I bought Dee from Lamon Sivils in Texas about five years ago as an outcross for my Ben line. Before he registered her he had test bred Dee to ensure that she wouldn't produce any off color pups. No one is sure just how old she is but she just keeps going and going.... |
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« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2014, 03:56:20 pm » |
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TLS delight was a Florida bred cur dog from the Adam's Ranch in Ft. Pierce, Florida. Their ain't never been any mountains in Florida  |
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« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2014, 05:19:02 pm » |
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agreed...
tls delight was a straight up died in the wool florida cur...
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« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2014, 06:43:08 pm » |
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Agreed.
TLS Delight was a FL Cur.
Blockier head, long legged bobtail. I've always heard Adams Ranch supposedly had the best cow dogs in FL.
They crossed her over Reno and got Okefenokee Cowboy.
Along with countless other dogs (Some bobtail)
Cowboy is a natural bobtail and has produced quite a few also.
I am sure this off spring has went all over the US and been bred.
My dogs are off Reno's direct son Midas. He is a product of Reno crossed over Riverbend Polly.
He has no TLS Delight in his blood. He has thrown countless bobtail pups.
I have 4 dogs off of him all different litters and moms and they are bobtail or pump handle tails.
Midas has a long tail also but seems to throw a lot of bobtail.
My guess would be somewhere down the line of Reno or Ben a bobtail cur dog was added to the mix.
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« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2014, 07:16:32 pm » |
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« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2014, 07:26:13 pm » |
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I think it's funny that they take what ever dog & register it as what they want. Even if there is a Florida dog in the wood pile
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« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2014, 07:32:00 pm » |
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I think it's funny that they take what ever dog & register it as what they want. Even if there is a Florida dog in the wood pile
I'm pretty sure where a dog is born has nothing to do with registration. Dogs are registered as a certain breed based on meeting the breed standard of said breed. I know you Florida guys would love to take credit, but.... |
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« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2014, 07:32:44 pm » |
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So since every one gets so made about us not telling y'all what really made our dogs can you tell us what really makes a yeller black mouth cur since we have established florida dogs are in there? And there are other Florida dogs that have been bred in to the foundation blood. Michelle mears had a lot of Florida blood bred into her foundation dogs and that is why they were as good as they were.
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« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2014, 07:48:47 pm » |
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Junior... the Florida dogs are only in the bob tailed, pink nosed registered dogs.
You won't find any bob tails or pink nosed in the old East Texas stock.
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« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2014, 07:57:18 pm » |
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I can see that since most of Michelle's dogs were as described.
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« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2014, 08:04:02 pm » |
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I think it's funny that they take what ever dog & register it as what they want. Even if there is a Florida dog in the wood pile
I'm pretty sure where a dog is born has nothing to do with registration. Dogs are registered as a certain breed based on meeting the breed standard of said breed. I know you Florida guys would love to take credit, but.... I think he means that they took an unregistered FL dog "TLS Delight" and bred it over Reno and registered the litter. Delight had no papers coming off the Adams ranch. But she was accepted and the litter was registered. She did have a build similar to the foundation BMC and was a yellow bobtail FL cur off an old ranch in Florida. She was not a papered foundation blackmouth. |
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« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2014, 08:31:59 pm » |
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You won't find any bob tails or pink nosed in the old East Texas stock.
There is the reason the original question was asked. Have never saw a single one...ever......in this area's dogs. But common as the day is long in these other strains. Just peaks my curiosity to the original introduction origin. I am not a big historian on these specific dogs..know others are. But seems like its some big secret. Dunno why? Have had several very knowledgeable men Pm me answers that make sense from personal knowledge. But gonna keep that info behind closed conversations. Feel it would take this post for a downward spiral and end with stalemated arguments even though I agree completely. The short and skinny is simple ........It was introduction trait. Now the search continues for the exact identifiable cross. Possibly from several separate sources. Good post gents. Staying interesting for sure. All views and knowledge are welcomed. |
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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2014, 09:04:40 pm » |
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I think it's funny that they take what ever dog & register it as what they want. Even if there is a Florida dog in the wood pile
I'm pretty sure where a dog is born has nothing to do with registration. Dogs are registered as a certain breed based on meeting the breed standard of said breed. I know you Florida guys would love to take credit, but.... [/quote/] Most of us South/Central Florida boys take pride in the fact that our family bred dogs will never end up in some ridiculous registry or breed standard association. Ain't no such thing as a purebred Florida Cur |
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« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2014, 09:23:19 pm » |
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Most of us South/Central Florida boys take pride in the fact that our family bred dogs will never end up in some ridiculous registry or breed standard association. Ain't no such thing as a purebred Florida Cur The registry was originally started as a means of keeping records...nothing more, nothing less. Now what happened to it after that I suppose is debateable. As far as "no such thing as a purebred Florida cur", is there any such thing as a pure bred ANY breed of dog? Every breed as we know it is made of something. I don't care one way or the other... I don't own a dog whose pedigree can be found anywhere but in my personal records. |
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« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2014, 09:33:54 am » |
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 Here is a picture natural bobtail Bmc I post pedigree in a min. |
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« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2014, 09:56:10 am » |
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I'll just throw this out there...take it or leave it. Bulldog guys especially will know what I'm talking about. If I'm breeding a (supposed pure) line of dogs and I run across a certain dog that I feel will compliment (or IMPROVE) my line, but that dog perhaps is of uncertain origin (or maybe even KNOWN origin  ). I breed dog anyways, and perhaps my registration papers just aren't that reflective of what just happened. To put it another way, future generations will see on those papers what I want them to see. Get my point? If someone doesn't believe this happens, then you're far too trusting and I have some ocean front property I'd like to sell you. Papers are only as reliable as the people behind them, and we all know that dog folks can be tricky little boogers sometimes! |
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« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2014, 10:12:26 am » |
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Bryant, you are right on with that comment in the Bulldog world. Many of those ol guys would give you a bowl of soup but you wouldn't get the recipe. I'm sure some of those ol huntin dog breeders did the same or it could be that they weren't sure which dog did the breeding but this one looks better on paper.
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« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2014, 10:20:19 am » |
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Totally agree, I don't keep up with papers and don't care about papers.
Papers don't make dogs. Same thing is what happend to the lab breed... People doctoring papers! Sad, but now with DNA testing it can make it harder for people to Falsify paper work! And keep breeds "more pure"
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