blue pits and bully pits. anyone using as catch dogs?

[Crib]

Google search blu paul pitbull. Game bred strain of pits. The american bully bred for looks not performance. Some will say the same thing about the amstaff, bred for show even though there r working amstaff breeders.

The Blue paul as a seprate strain is extinct. Like someone said blue is just a color a dilute of black. The blue dogs today are not Blue Pauls though they were selected for the same color gene.

[C.Ledyard]

Sorry that was a typo.. Jeep, his grandad is a curr...finleys bo, jeeps father , was out of a curr dog. You can look it up on gamebredhistory if you look up the jeep bloodline.

Heres a pic of bo... If you can see the curr in him ur blind.

[Scott]

A cur in  gamedogs is one that quit. Not a  stockdog type cur

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[Noble_Kennels]

Hes linebred jeep

I could be wrong, but I doubt if it's linebred off jeep dogs , here is jeep
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=329919
All that really matters is that he gets the job done

He is...i used to breed adba game bred dogs. Hes just one i kept hes 7 now. A lot of people also dont know that jeeps dad was really a bmc. They hung papers one him. Thats how he won most of his fight by being longer winded. Thats why i like them for cd because they normally have a little more leg and more wind then your regular pit. He is line bred jeep on top and his mom was a black chinaman line gyp

Where did the blue come from? It does not pop up often with the Chinaman dogs either. Now I have seen some Eli dogs produce some blues, butthey came out of black dogs, not buckskin

[LAhogger84]

Good history lesson on jeep

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

A cur in  gamedogs is one that quit. Not a  stockdog type cur

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^This. That's where the misunderstanding is coming from. Gotta leave the  bulldog history to the bulldog folks.

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Let's see the ped on this blue "Jeep/Chinaman" dog.....

[Crib]

Hes linebred jeep

I could be wrong, but I doubt if it's linebred off jeep dogs , here is jeep
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=329919
All that really matters is that he gets the job done

He is...i used to breed adba game bred dogs. Hes just one i kept hes 7 now. A lot of people also dont know that jeeps dad was really a bmc. They hung papers one him. Thats how he won most of his fight by being longer winded. Thats why i like them for cd because they normally have a little more leg and more wind then your regular pit. He is line bred jeep on top and his mom was a black chinaman line gyp

Where did the blue come from? It does not pop up often with the Chinaman dogs either. Now I have seen some Eli dogs produce some blues, butthey came out of black dogs, not buckskin

Many of the blue dogs you see today came down from watch dog kennels. Casey used Blue amstass to add th color. After that many people started breeding them but not keeping pedigrees. The American bullys used watch dog blood too. Casey had Abs also, Watchdog white Fang was his foundation dog.

[Crib]

Sorry that should read "he added blue am staffs"

[Crib]

Oh and I re-ead the question, like you said you have seen blue from black dogs. The blue color is a "dilute" of black, meaning its the same gene just lighter. You can call it gray (Black mixed with white).

[Treezbulldogz]

Let's see the ped on this blue "Jeep/Chinaman" dog.....

X2^^^^^

[devildawg86]

Not a pitbull guru, but never heard that about the jeep dog.

[TheRednose]

Not a pitbull guru, but never heard that about the jeep dog.

Cause its not true. Jeeps dad was a cur, but not a blackmouth cur, a pure bulldog that quit in a match. HUGE difference!!! Also like I said before the main reason the Blue pits get up to 80-100lbs not always but usually cause it had Neapolitan Mastiff added to them a decade or two back, color a lot of time too. I been in bulldogs all my life and I will tell you a true gamebred bull dog that is 100 lbs is one in a million. Happens once in a great great while. The size and color come from breeds outside the gamebred bulldog. It is what it is, its not a slight on them just different type of dogs.

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Not a pitbull guru, but never heard that about the jeep dog.

Cause its not true. Jeeps dad was a cur, but not a blackmouth cur, a pure bulldog that quit in a match. HUGE difference!!! Also like I said before the main reason the Blue pits get up to 80-100lbs not always but usually cause it had Neapolitan Mastiff added to them a decade or two back, color a lot of time too. I been in bulldogs all my life and I will tell you a true gamebred bull dog that is 100 lbs is one in a million. Happens once in a great great while. The size and color come from breeds outside the gamebred bulldog. It is what it is, its not a slight on them just different type of dogs.

Good post.

I see a lot that people get defensive right away and think we are "hating" on their dogs. I could care less what someone else chooses to feed. If that's their flavor, whatever. What I do have an issue with is people calling a dog an APBT, when it is not. Ever hear of the Whopper dog and the big mess his owner caused with the ADBA?

[devildawg86]

Not a pitbull guru, but never heard that about the jeep dog.

Cause its not true. Jeeps dad was a cur, but not a blackmouth cur, a pure bulldog that quit in a match. HUGE difference!!! Also like I said before the main reason the Blue pits get up to 80-100lbs not always but usually cause it had Neapolitan Mastiff added to them a decade or two back, color a lot of time too. I been in bulldogs all my life and I will tell you a true gamebred bull dog that is 100 lbs is one in a million. Happens once in a great great while. The size and color come from breeds outside the gamebred bulldog. It is what it is, its not a slight on them just different type of dogs.

Lighter had two strains of gamebred pits one red and one blue and both were.deep game. There was a convention held in oklahoma in 1936 where 2 lighter dogs were matched: Halls Searcy Jeff and ( Runyons Colorado ) Imp ll that was supposedly handled by Earl Tudor. Jeff won, but Imp ll showed deep game and was picked up. (Wayne D. Brown " History of the APBT". Pgs. 25 & 26). Rios Pitbull kingdom website. Both blue pits and.amstaffs go back to gamebred dogs. Check it out.

[dallas22]

I just was reading up on the whopper dog it makes sense.  But Ive seen a 80/85 game bred pit but only once the mother had to be 35 lbs are so and the father had to be 40 are so. First time they had ever had a dog that big in 30 or 40 years doing what they do but just like anything else just a freak of nature sometimes happens.

[Bo Pugh]

I know a few guys that use blue dogs to catch with but, I would not go buy a blue pup off of blue dogs and expect them to catch because it's a lot of people have them for just pets and breed them to the neighbors dog just to get blue puppy's to sell and that's been going on a long time it's a lot of people breed them for their coler and to make money they are not concerned whether they are gamey or not. We tried out several blue dogs in the last 5 years and they was not even good fertilizer. I don't know a thing about jeep or alligator mouff or none of that but I do know what I seen with the blue dogs I have tried out.

[devildawg86]

Lightner dogs. N Scotland they were called blue pauls the reds were called red smuts.

[TheRednose]

Not a pitbull guru, but never heard that about the jeep dog.

Cause its not true. Jeeps dad was a cur, but not a blackmouth cur, a pure bulldog that quit in a match. HUGE difference!!! Also like I said before the main reason the Blue pits get up to 80-100lbs not always but usually cause it had Neapolitan Mastiff added to them a decade or two back, color a lot of time too. I been in bulldogs all my life and I will tell you a true gamebred bull dog that is 100 lbs is one in a million. Happens once in a great great while. The size and color come from breeds outside the gamebred bulldog. It is what it is, its not a slight on them just different type of dogs.

Lighter had two strains of gamebred pits one red and one blue and both were.deep game. There was a convention held in oklahoma in 1936 where 2 lighter dogs were matched: Halls Searcy Jeff and ( Runyons Colorado ) Imp ll that was supposedly handled by Earl Tudor. Jeff won, but Imp ll showed deep game and was picked up. (Wayne D. Brown " History of the APBT". Pgs. 25 & 26). Rios Pitbull kingdom website. Both blue pits and.amstaffs go back to gamebred dogs. Check it out.

Yes and Im really not going to get into it too much, you can believe what you want my friend. But for one Lightner did have two strains one red which ran a little big and one mostly brindle, but had other colors too, he sold off all of his reds because of the size thing. Blues were pretty rare bud, since you are into learning the history of the breed which is awesome you should read some Richard F. Stratton books they are pretty good. I know some dogmen who don't really like them but I think they are pretty good reading. They are a good introduction. I have almost 40 classic books and limitless mags and I have only seen a couple of true blues. You will see the light silver and light silver brindle a lot more and even they are pretty rare.

I dont need to check it out It know what I am talking about, I dont need to google any of it.The statement about both amstaffs and blue bullies both go back to game bred dog is a ridiculous one! Of course they do, so do a few other breeds as well. The argument is that they have had other breeds bred into them was the point! I watched the rise of the blue bullies and have friends who had a big hand in that breed. That is why I know what I know.

Have a good night.

[devildawg86]

No arguement, no offense taken. I am not a expert and was not there and was not on the inside when alot of this took place. Maybe some reading this thread might learn something or gain a greater appreciation for these dogs we put so much time n. The only dumb question is the one not asked and explained to enlighten the intended audience. Sometimes i think we get caught up being right and the opportunity to teach or pass on wisdom is lost!