blue pits and bully pits. anyone using as catch dogs?

[TheRednose]

No arguement, no offense taken. I am not a expert and was not there and was not on the inside when alot of this took place. Maybe some reading this thread might learn something or gain a greater appreciation for these dogs we put so much time n. The only dumb question is the one not asked and explained to enlighten the intended audience. Sometimes i think we get caught up being right and the opportunity to teach or pass on wisdom is lost!

Good point, and I apologize if I came off strong. Nothing wrong with wanting to learn, or asking questions, I hope I always continue to learn as well. I hope you have a good night.

[devildawg86]

No arguement, no offense taken. I am not a expert and was not there and was not on the inside when alot of this took place. Maybe some reading this thread might learn something or gain a greater appreciation for these dogs we put so much time n. The only dumb question is the one not asked and explained to enlighten the intended audience. Sometimes i think we get caught up being right and the opportunity to teach or pass on wisdom is lost!

Good point, and I apologize if I came off strong. Nothing wrong with wanting to learn, or asking questions, I hope I always continue to learn as well. I hope you have a good night.

u speak from experience and a.deep conviction  from having been there and done that. U stand your ground, like a true gamebred pit. Thanks for the spirited.discussion goodnight and God bless!!

[Crib]

Sounds like the discussion is kinda done, but I wanted to restate something I said earlier that I don't think was read. Blue Pauls are extinct and have been for a long time. So discussion involving Blue Pauls and blue amstaffs and even worse Am Bullies is moot. To address the history point the blue paul strain weren't always blue, they produced also reds and brindles. Smut was a term often used to refer to brindle dogs. If you look at old literature about the Old bull baiting bull dog it will show that.

[devildawg86]

thanks for the input
Sounds like the discussion is kinda done, but I wanted to restate something I said earlier that I don't think was read. Blue Pauls are extinct and have been for a long time. So discussion involving Blue Pauls and blue amstaffs and even worse Am Bullies is moot. To address the history point the blue paul strain weren't always blue, they produced also reds and brindles. Smut was a term often used to refer to brindle dogs. If you look at old literature about the Old bull baiting bull dog it will show that.

[t-dog]

I'm no expert by any means, but the blue pauls were a recessive gene. That's why they only showed up now and then and unless you bred one to another wouldn't breed true to color. They were considered inferior. I was not there, but the way it has been explained to me by folks that were, there was never a Champion Blue Paul in any way unless they were competing against other blue pauls. The present blues are for the most part mastiff or am staff to the apbt cross. It's something that was done for color or color and size. To me that's the fault with them. It's too easy to breed for one or two traits and throw everything else to the way side. I have seen a couple of pretty nice built blue dogs and tried a couple too. They didn't work for me. One was dumb as a sack of hammers and the other could have been a champion bay dog. I'm not saying that there aren't good ones though because I'm sure there are. I also heard a couple of different stats on pit bulls and one of them stated that 75% of pit bull bite cases were dogs that were blue or had strong blue heritage. That was TV and internet so it must be true! I can say that I know two different breeders and One breeds for Blue and big and the other breeds for blue and bully. Both of them have a high percentage of man biters that are used as brood stock. One of them had a guy call him one day asking if he sold many for catch dogs. His reply was "these dogs are bred for looks, if you want a catch dog call my buddy".

[TheRednose]

I'm no expert by any means, but the blue pauls were a recessive gene. That's why they only showed up now and then and unless you bred one to another wouldn't breed true to color. They were considered inferior. I was not there, but the way it has been explained to me by folks that were, there was never a Champion Blue Paul in any way unless they were competing against other blue pauls. The present blues are for the most part mastiff or am staff to the apbt cross. It's something that was done for color or color and size. To me that's the fault with them. It's too easy to breed for one or two traits and throw everything else to the way side. I have seen a couple of pretty nice built blue dogs and tried a couple too. They didn't work for me. One was dumb as a sack of hammers and the other could have been a champion bay dog. I'm not saying that there aren't good ones though because I'm sure there are. I also heard a couple of different stats on pit bulls and one of them stated that 75% of pit bull bite cases were dogs that were blue or had strong blue heritage. That was TV and internet so it must be true! I can say that I know two different breeders and One breeds for Blue and big and the other breeds for blue and bully. Both of them have a high percentage of man biters that are used as brood stock. One of them had a guy call him one day asking if he sold many for catch dogs. His reply was "these dogs are bred for looks, if you want a catch dog call my buddy".

Hey T-dog my buddy was breeding them in the 90's and what i noticed back then most of his were really mellow and kind of low energy, but that just might be because they were all in between 80-100lbs. I also seen a few man biters and I have always attributed that to the big blue Italian mastiffs that were bred in them, they are real man aggressive by nature and are used a lot for guard work. In fact I saw some show where an ex middleweight boxing champion name Mark Brieland was using them (neopalitans) for attack work. If you really look at it, it all makes sense.

You can't show me a breed that was ever improved by breeding for looks of any type alone. It ALWAYS has to follow one golden rule in my opinion and that is form follows function! just my two cents.

[okboarhunter]

True bully is a English bulldog pit mix correct?

Short stocky heavy.  Cant breath run walk lol.   Not fond of those lol

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[Pwilson_10]

that's my best catch dog


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[Rocking Y]

I'm no expert by any means, but the blue pauls were a recessive gene. That's why they only showed up now and then and unless you bred one to another wouldn't breed true to color. They were considered inferior. I was not there, but the way it has been explained to me by folks that were, there was never a Champion Blue Paul in any way unless they were competing against other blue pauls. The present blues are for the most part mastiff or am staff to the apbt cross. It's something that was done for color or color and size. To me that's the fault with them. It's too easy to breed for one or two traits and throw everything else to the way side. I have seen a couple of pretty nice built blue dogs and tried a couple too. They didn't work for me. One was dumb as a sack of hammers and the other could have been a champion bay dog. I'm not saying that there aren't good ones though because I'm sure there are. I also heard a couple of different stats on pit bulls and one of them stated that 75% of pit bull bite cases were dogs that were blue or had strong blue heritage. That was TV and internet so it must be true! I can say that I know two different breeders and One breeds for Blue and big and the other breeds for blue and bully. Both of them have a high percentage of man biters that are used as brood stock. One of them had a guy call him one day asking if he sold many for catch dogs. His reply was "these dogs are bred for looks, if you want a catch dog call my buddy".

I've seen a bully doing that same kinda thing about a couple being a champion bay dog. We had a boar hog bayed up and that bully ran in there, got whooped down and began baying harder than the bay dogs lol

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[t-dog]

I agree Rednose. There are more than a couple of breeds that have been ruined because people were breeding for only one or two traits. People don't have any patience it seems. The fastest way to get to the end result is usually the route they take, instead of taking their time and trying to get it right. I guess though maybe my idea of right and the next guy's might not be the same.

[Big Joe]

Not a "game dog" but a decent catch dog