Long range cold nosed dogs

[texasboy11]

I ain't trying to start arguments just wanting input. I know everyone has their own opinion so all are welcome but all in all what do y'all think is the best breed and bloodline for solid long range cold nosed hog dogs. A buddy called wanting a pair of pups of this caliber and I run hotter nose cur dogs.. All input is appreciated!!!

[arrowbar]

Bear and lion dog bred pups is where I would start. I would also narrow down to dogs that hunt drier climates.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Readily available and easier to find in general population ........Gotta say (Hound)

Ahhhhh I said it.........

Or you can begin your quest as a noble and fearless hog dog patron ......and not settle for anything less than a Ybmc that has all the hound capabilities and does it sooooooo much more stylish ....

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

I have had great success with Catahoula/ Plott crosses. 1/4-1/2 Plott and the Catahoula side was from cowdog stock and rough with good nose and speed.

[LAhogger84]

Only long range dog Ive had was 3/4 plott 1/4 bmc. I've had some medium range dogs n prior packs. But most of the pure bred cat I've had was all short range dogs. JMO I ain't ever seen a long range catahoula and I've seen and hunted a lot of them. Long range to me is anything past 800 yards on no sign.

[mattr]

From what limited experience I have and, it seems to be a general consensus if you want nose put some ear in the dog. Lots of good nosed hounds and shorter eared dogs too , that being said a plott mix seems to do what your saying in what I've seen . Been around several nice dogs that were 1/4 plott 3/4 bmc . Just seems to me that that plott blood sure puts a nose and range on them. Just my opinion, there is defitenly lots more versed individuals on this forum.

[Reuben]

Certain strain of mt curs have the best of both worlds already built in...

[C.Ledyard]

Certain strain of mt curs have the best of both worlds already built in...

Ive got a buddy that has a damn good mt. curr...one of the better dogs ive hunted behind and goes wherever he has to to find one and put one at the end of a track. Hes a huge dog.

[jpuckett]

So... Out of everyone that is mixing in plotts, have y'all tried full plotts? Wondering what the mix has that the full plott wouldn't.. Just wonderin

[Lacy man]

So... Out of everyone that is mixing in plotts, have y'all tried full plotts? Wondering what the mix has that the full plott wouldn't.. Just wonderin

Prob not much, most the time I always hear it's to tighten the open on track of a full plott

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Theres some lines of silent plotts out there ....where they breed specifically to keep em shut mouthed.

But them quite Plotts make it hard to find them.....when they tree 

[Bryant]

I think most people use plotts to cross on curs because they're more readily available.

Might take some sure enough looking around, but if I were starting over and had nothing to work with I would cross the nicest straight (yellow of course) cur female to the nicest straight running hound (Trigg, July, Goodman, Etc) and go from there.

Every supposed straight line of cur dog I've ever hunted behind and been impressed by could be traced back to having some foxhound blood somewhere in the ped.   

Running hounds have a tighter mouth, run to catch (typically more grit), have a tendancy to grade wind and hunt by both wind and track instead of solely driving a track, hunt faster and you don't have treeing instincts to have to try and breed back out.  I also believe as a whole, running hounds haven't been quite as poluted over the years as many other breeds.  I could go on and on, but just my opinion mainly.

[easttexasoutlaw33]

Only long range dog Ive had was 3/4 plott 1/4 bmc. I've had some medium range dogs n prior packs. But most of the pure bred cat I've had was all short range dogs. JMO I ain't ever seen a long range catahoula and I've seen and hunted a lot of them. Long range to me is anything past 800 yards on no sign.

Come visit and I'll show you one

[easttexasoutlaw33]

I think most people use plotts to cross on curs because they're more readily available.

Might take some sure enough looking around, but if I were starting over and had nothing to work with I would cross the nicest straight (yellow of course) cur female to the nicest straight running hound (Trigg, July, Goodman, Etc) and go from there.

Every supposed straight line of cur dog I've ever hunted behind and been impressed by could be traced back to having some foxhound blood somewhere in the ped.   

Running hounds have a tighter mouth, run to catch (typically more grit), have a tendancy to grade wind and hunt by both wind and track instead of solely driving a track, hunt faster and you don't have treeing instincts to have to try and breed back out.  I also believe as a whole, running hounds haven't been quite as poluted over the years as many other breeds.  I could go on and on, but just my opinion mainly.

Aren't running hounds breed for just that speed and less nose?

[b.b.b kennels]

The old dog men who ran yotes and deer bred running hounds that had both. Great July, Trigg and Running Walkers aren't fast on track just because they have the legs to be. Never saw a tree bred hound push tracks like a running hound should.

[Judge peel]

From my experience get a pair of plotts or blue tics not the thick ones but the leaner ones they will start tracks further back and good ones won't stop till they bay or tree what they started jmo

[BIG BEN]

These curs I got from bigo and skoalbandit are pretty dang cold nosed and loooong range, almost to much range for this part of the country. You'll find what your looking for in a small pocket of pure bred dogs no matter the breed, just gotta do the research and talk with lots if folks.

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[Bryant]

...pure bred dogs no matter the breed...

There's that word again...haha.  Ben, you do know that although they've been bred true for many years not everything in those dogs ped is yellow.

I brought up the topic for discussion probably several years back already, but when a dog's been knowingly crossed; at what point and how many generations down the road do you get to call them pure bred dogs and feel good about it?

It's my personal opinion, that there really is no such thing as "pure bred" dogs.  Makes no difference to me really as I look at a line based on how they perform and aside from being structurally sound, if they look good doing it, well that's just a bonus anyhow.  Phenotype is the easiest characteristic to breed for.

[Reuben]

Long range cold nosed dogs

the days of big ranches are about over for most places so there really isn't a real big market for the cold nosed long range dogs...at some point in time it will be super catchy dogs that will catch right away or give it up and come back because of the smaller ranches and stricter laws as we progress into the future...

years ago I thought hard about breeding crohgan coyote hound with my mt cur dogs for size a little more speed and possibly more grit...they were supposed to run to catch and kill...some were known to catch and kill by 10 months of age...probably not real cold nosed but probably about right for what I like...

[Peachcreek]

...pure bred dogs no matter the breed...

There's that word again...haha.  Ben, you do know that although they've been bred true for many years not everything in those dogs ped is yellow.

I brought up the topic for discussion probably several years back already, but when a dog's been knowingly crossed; at what point and how many generations down the road do you get to call them pure bred dogs and feel good about it?

It's my personal opinion, that there really is no such thing as "pure bred" dogs.  Makes no difference to me really as I look at a line based on how they perform and aside from being structurally sound, if they look good doing it, well that's just a bonus anyhow.  Phenotype is the easiest characteristic to breed for.

Bryant i agree 110% with your post.... i say pretty much the same thing to several people weekly. I get sick and tired of saying it. Lol if a yeller "cur" is cold nosed and will run a hog forever you can bet somewhere back in the day there was some sort of hound bred into it. How many generations of line breeding does it take to make it a cur? Lol most truly good "curs" that i have seen have hound ears and cat footed. Supposedly the bmc was two strains originally mastiff/Ridgeback OR mastiff/greyhound. Some people call Catahoulas curs... look up the composition of those dogs. Basically a cur is a mutt!!!! BLACK YELLOW OR RED. I will get off my soap box and let the flogging commence .