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« on: April 07, 2014, 04:07:57 pm » |
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I see some people using the Bayer tree and shrub.hows it work and what amount and how often do you do it
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mduggan
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2014, 05:09:25 pm » |
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I have had good results for about three years, now.
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Pwilson_10
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2014, 05:19:40 pm » |
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What I do is roll my dog over on it's back pour it in my hand and rub on there belly were there not much hair and hold them there for a sec and then let them up I don't use a lot but make sure u get the one that don't say feed or any thing to do with fruit
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matt1969
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2014, 07:39:45 pm » |
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So i use it straight? And just rub on belly? How often?
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Reuben
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2014, 07:58:32 pm » |
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it comes in different brands and the active ingredient is Imidacloprid...0ne is .75% and others are 1.5%...
I use the 1.5 at 15 cc's per 40-60 pound dog...works great...I use it once or twice a year as needed...some around the belly area and some down the back line and rub it in to the skin...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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Pwilson_10
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 05:56:37 am » |
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Ya I was at work when I told u witch one and couldn't remember but I us the same one as Reuben
The reason I put it on the belly and rub it in cuz there no hair to slow it down from soaking in to there blood
And I us it when I see fleas now last year my fleas got use to it or somthing it stoped working
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 07:55:24 am » |
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I used to use Admire. It is a tobacco pesticide. They took it off the market. I found it's generic brand. I put 1-2 cc's down the back. It will kill every flea on the place. When I get home I will look up the active ingredient.
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Bowhunter1994
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2014, 06:45:02 pm » |
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Good thread, thanks
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If you cant hang with the big dogs STAY ON THE PORCH.
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Reuben
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2014, 06:55:26 pm » |
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I have heard a few guys talk about the fleas getting immune to the treatment and they might be right...I have 2 theories on that...
1...not using enough insecticide on dogs or not doing it often enough or both..
2...when dogs are one the ground it is harder to control fleas, ticks and worms, so that could be the main reason...or possibly a combination of both reasons...
my dogs are on concrete and 1 32 oz bottle has lasted me about 3 years and it still is almost half full...
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 11:16:11 pm » |
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I was told that the manufacture stopped using the main ingredient that kills fleas cause of us dog people. I haven't used it in about two years cause it stopped working.
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2014, 08:29:48 pm » |
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Reuben mine are on concrete and I can bet u the world that when it comes to fleas on my dogs I go crazy I hate to watch a dog in the woods run ten feet scratch his NUTTZ then go 50 yards and do the same over and over can't stand a owner that don't change there water clean there pens every day and I don't know what the heck has changed but when I first used it it freakin killed every flea that even thought about biting them and now it seems like there is always that 1-5 that can do what ever a flea dose and nothen bothers them and I can go
Get Adams flea spray and kill the number 2 out the for a few months and same thing happens there but hell maybe it's just cuz I'm anal about fleas so I see little stuff idk
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2014, 08:34:21 pm » |
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Permethrin 10 mixed with mineral oil
1/20 ratio perm 10 being the 1 and mineral oil being 20
Look it up, the military uses it
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Reuben
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2014, 08:55:34 pm » |
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enforcer from TSC and other places...works great...I haven't had to use it in a long while but it works...my rule of thumb...if it can be used in the house I will spray my dogs with it and their favorite hang outs including the dog houses... http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/enforcerreg%3B-flea-spray-for-homes-1-gal |
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2014, 09:50:06 pm » |
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You can mix permethrin with water but mineral oil is thick so it lasts on the dogs longer than water based sprays.
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2014, 11:06:58 am » |
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I might pick this up. I do have toddlers in the house....did you use this product with kids in the household? That would be my only concern, because they do tend to lay/crawl/play on the carpet a lot.... |
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2014, 11:31:41 am » |
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MrsLA
my grandchildren were around as well as my teenage children,
I spot treated the carpet and sofa's and where the dogs hang out...also straight on the dogs and it worked for about a years give or take...does not kill right away but it works great...
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2014, 06:06:53 pm » |
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MrsLA
my grandchildren were around as well as my teenage children,
I spot treated the carpet and sofa's and where the dogs hang out...also straight on the dogs and it worked for about a years give or take...does not kill right away but it works great...
Okay great, I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the input! I used to sprinkle Borax powder down but I think it's good to switch things up every now and again. |
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pblenis
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2014, 11:59:10 am » |
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So does the Bayer Tree and Shrub no longer have the correct active ingredient, I can't find it on Bayers site, the active ingredient list. I see other websites talking about it but they are older posts.
You guys are all awesome by the way. Would have never known that I don't need to spend $70 for a 3 month supply of Advantix.
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pblenis
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2014, 12:24:25 pm » |
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So does the Bayer Tree and Shrub no longer have the correct active ingredient, I can't find it on Bayers site, the active ingredient list. I see other websites talking about it but they are older posts.
You guys are all awesome by the way. Would have never known that I don't need to spend $70 for a 3 month supply of Advantix.
Found answer after better googling. Guess I'll be going to home depot at lunch. I finally found one label on Bayer site. Looks like one of them (the 12 month one) had a higher (almost 3%) dosage but it's still the Imidacloprid.  Bayer Advantage II For Dogs has same ingredients as stated by other posters: Imidacloprid; 1-[6-Chloro-3-pyrindinyl) methyl]-N-nitro-2-imidazolidinimine 9.1% Pyriproxyfen IGR (Insect Growth Regulator) 0.46% Other ingredients 90.44% Any people good at math that can calculate CC's per lb at different dosage strengths. By brain is not working. |
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pblenis
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2014, 12:39:18 pm » |
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Found FDS study on Imidacloprid http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AnimalVeterinary/Products/ApprovedAnimalDrugProducts/FOIADrugSummaries/UCM051438.pdfLooks like recommended dosage at 10% is 4.5mg/lb At the 10% Imidacloprid used in study there was 100mg/ml(cc) If my math is right that's 15mg/cc at 1.5% and 30mg/cc at 3% strength. Which if recommended dosage is 4.5mg per lb then you would just take, as Rueben pointed out in his example, approximately 3.33 cc's per 10lb dog weight at 1.5% strength or a little more than 1.5cc's per 10lb dog weight at 3% mixture. That make sense. I have a 95lb dog right now and a 50lb one. Trying to make sure I don't mess something up. |
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