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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2014, 08:35:46 pm »

Anything is worth dying for "if" you are in the right.   But taking a one man stand against the gov. and a law that applies to all citizens is not a good ideal, and suggesting to die for that cause would not be considered wise.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2014, 08:44:09 pm »

it's like this folks , i'll fight the baddest sob in the county over a nickel if I WORKED FOR IT and i figure he's gonna come back next time for a dime !

                           

                                         AND I'LL PLAN ON WINNING AT ALL COST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2014, 08:48:01 pm »

if our forefathers hadn't beleived that way , we'd still be part of england  !
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2014, 09:40:37 pm »

The way I see it is as long as you stand behind what you believe and don't back off that's not a coward just a different stance. That what I served my country for was to protect the views and rights of our  fellow man the government ain't always right in our personal views but I can say this with fact try bitching bout government in Eastern Europe or the Middle East or Asia and see if you will be there long you will take a dirt nap faster then some of your no count cur dog education is a powerful tool  arrogance of that education is not   
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2014, 10:41:28 pm »

it's like this folks , i'll fight the baddest sob in the county over a nickel if I WORKED FOR IT and i figure he's gonna come back next time for a dime !

                           

                                         AND I'LL PLAN ON WINNING AT ALL COST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


if our forefathers hadn't beleived that way , we'd still be part of england  !

Exactly!!!!

Englands laws applied to everbody in the colonies, but yet a good majority viewed englands laws and rules to an infrindgement upon the growth of the colonies for a self sustained way of life, not a sustainment of profit for the king.
Without their belief of freedom and independance of the colonies and fighting for that, this country would not have been able to obtain the freedoms we have and are loosing today.

I will not yeild to full government control and domination of me and my family. Any man who will yield to that is a coward. Some1 who will lets other fight and or die in their stead but yet reap the rewards from the blood, sweat n tears of the fighters and fallen.

I served 13yrs n was discharged for a broken back n blown out ankles n knees, my service came with a cost, but it didnt come with thought of laying down and having the government screw me or any other citizen. My oath was to defend against ALL enemies, foriegn AND DOMESTIC, and right now the enemy is our own government. Contray to popular belief and views, our constitution and independance doesnt come with an expiration date. It states life liberty and the persuit of happiness is our rights. Well i do have life, our liberties are being stripped away 1 by 1 and the persuit of happiness does NOT entail forfieture of my rights, freedom or liberties just bc some purchased politicians says so.
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2014, 06:19:56 am »

Charles, you sound so stupid....lets hope the one less oxygen abuser is you.

Let me get out of afghanistan and u can come on down n we'll see who leaves horizontaly.

EASY THERE FRANCIS!  Evil ................if he thinks you sound stupid for your comments its apparent he ain't playin with a full deck himself...........don't let the goobers get you down amigo!
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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2014, 06:31:09 am »

it's like this folks , i'll fight the baddest sob in the county over a nickel if I WORKED FOR IT and i figure he's gonna come back next time for a dime !

                           

                                         AND I'LL PLAN ON WINNING AT ALL COST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PREACH BROTHER JDT, PREACH!

If we do not stand up and say enough is enough then we will be bent over farther and farther until we are kissing our knee caps asking what the hell happened!

"the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson ................. I have seen that quote posted a few times on different forums here lately and in my opinion I believe that in our life time we will see it happen, and I also believe it is not too terribly far down the road. At some point the American people going to say "ALRIGHT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH." ................ In my opinion the taking of privately owned land by the government will be a HUGE factor in the next uprising............I dont know the time nor place it will happen but I truely believe that "IT" will happen and most if not all of us will be around to see it and when it does its gonna be BIG.
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2014, 07:08:56 am »

        I guess this all goes back to that'' KARMA '' girl ya'll keep talking about  lol   only this time she is on the American Indians side  . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  what comes around goes around  . 
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2014, 07:56:34 am »

        I guess this all goes back to that'' KARMA '' girl ya'll keep talking about  lol   only this time she is on the American Indians side  . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  what comes around goes around  . 

100% agreed.

 Government White man screwed over the natives and stole their land. Ut happened to them AND still happening now
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2014, 07:59:08 am »

Charles, you sound so stupid....lets hope the one less oxygen abuser is you.

Let me get out of afghanistan and u can come on down n we'll see who leaves horizontaly.

EASY THERE FRANCIS!  Evil ................if he thinks you sound stupid for your comments its apparent he ain't playin with a full deck himself...........don't let the goobers get you down amigo!

Aww, im still standing. Plus my anger meds have been working to control my temper. Hope to be outa here most ricky tick.
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« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2014, 07:27:27 pm »




Psychiatrists Are the New Federal Gun Control Agents and Political Thought Police





 





Dave Hodges April 27, 2014





The Common Sense Show











The Obama administration has a new partner in crime and it is the American Psychiatric Association (APA).  The APA created the new Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (5th Edition) which was recently adopted. DSM 5 is highly controversial and has sparked outrage from the mental health practitioners. As many of these practitioners point out, the new DSM-V makes a pathology out simple and normal behaviors such as grieving for the loss of a loved one.





This constitutes a new subjective approach in diagnosing of mental illness that it promises  to end free speech and any form of political dissent. The federal government has already declared anyone who oppose its unconstitutional policies as having “political paranoia,”  which is now diagnosed as a type of mental illness.





Psychiatry Targets Internet Conspiracy Theorists





Particularly disturbing is that the new manual targets internet users and conspiracy theorists. If someone is judged, by some vague set of criteria, to spend too much time on the internet, they could be judged to be mentally ill and ineligible to own a gun. How are you receiving this information? The chances are that you are, at least according to Obama and Biden, giving in to your internet addiction and reading this article. Under the new Obama guidelines this would be grounds for gun confiscation. The alternative media is

predicated on internet readership and listenership. These groups would be among the first groups to oppose a martial law crackdown, and now they are the first to be targeted.





Subsequently, this is just another backdoor method to disarm citizens who would oppose the abject tyranny being imposed upon America. And these facts sum up what is truly behind the Obama administration’s latest attack upon gun ownership because they want to prey upon a defenseless nation by disarming as many of us as possible before the purges can begin in earnest.





Under Obama’s new proposed gun regulations, anyone who has a diagnosable, or is potentially diagnosable (i.e. pre-crime) for being mentally ill, can have their gun confiscated. Vice President Biden even feels that they can violate HIPPA privacy regulations in requiring the states to report who has been treated for a mental illness. Therefore, in the name of confiscating your gun, this administration thinks it is acceptable to violate federal privacy laws.





What is interesting to me is that the Obama administration is not even trying to distinguish between mental illnesses in terms of who should, or should not own a gun. In the eyes of the Obama administration, all mental illnesses are created equal. A person with a phobia is just as dangerous as a sociopath. One in six Americans have a “diagnosable anxiety disorder”. This is completely understandable given the economic and political times that we live in. However, under the new proposed guidelines, all of these people would be ineligible to have a gun in their possession even though there is not a shred of research which indicates this population would be inclined towards gun violence any more than any other population.





I once predicted that any form of political protest would be demonized and used as the basis for the administration of assignment a mentally ill label upon anyone who disagrees with the government.





Political Schizophrenia





This is the new  Soviet style political schizophrenia. We will see confinements among the alternative media and the veterans for things like ADHD, grieving, normal anxiety, bad eating habits, etc. All of these behaviors and more have been categorized as pathologies under the Obama administration and a supportive American Psychiatric Association.





Oppositional Defiant Disorder Is the Newest Weapon Against Political Dissent





When I went through my clinical training, the Bible of mental illness, The Statistical and Diagnostic Manual (DSM-4r) defined Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) as a highly controversial mentally illness used to describe children and teens as mentally ill they exhibited disobedience and defiance. When I was first nationally credentialed, most practitioners did not take this diagnosis seriously and we mistakenly believed that it would fade away. We uniformly believed this to be true because defiance and oppositional behaviors are hallmark traits of healthy rebellion exhibited by children and teens as they seek independence. Rather than ODD fading away, the diagnosis has become the tool of the ruling elite.





The new DSM (5) has expanded the definition of ODD to include adults who exemplify “paranoid ideation” about the government and frequently express these delusional ideations on the internet.





In its analysis of the political abuse of psychiatry in both the Soviet Union and China, The Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law. stated that “Psychiatric incarceration of mentally healthy people is uniformly understood to be a particularly pernicious form of repression, because it uses the powerful modalities of medicine as tools of punishment, and it compounds a deep affront to human rights with deception and

fraud…”





Conclusion





The Obama people are trying to take this country down a very slippery slope. They are seeking to disarm as many Americans as possible with all available means such what has been described in this article.





The historical precedent, and subsequent danger of seizing guns under such a false pretense, has been well-established. Therefore, I will not belabor a well-established point, that all 19 genocides in the 20th century were preceded by gun confiscation. Why should we consider Obama’s recent actions to be any less threatening of deadly?





What is even more frightening, is the new ODD diagnosis will not just seize guns. It will commandeer a person’s mind through incarceration, for their own good of course, and forced drugging which will chemically castrate the brains of all arrested political dissidents.





We already know that Obamacare forces doctors to ask the gun ownership status of their patients. It is not a leap of logic that anyone owning a gun will soon be diagnosed with yet another manufactured mental illness tied to gun ownership.





I would like to hear from psychiatrists. Are you going to support this tyranny? Or, are you going to be an Oathkeeper to your profession and “do no harm” to your patients? Or, will you capitulate and goose-step your way through the new political prisons in America and do your part to suppress liberty?











 





 http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/04/27/psychiatrists-are-the-new-federal-gun-control-agents-and-political-thought-police/
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« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2014, 11:06:27 pm »

Yep, another way for the gov to have total control of its citizens. Continuous violations of our civil liberties and constitutional rights is a for sure sign that this form of government HAS to be removed, and a NEW government established!!!!! All u vets with ptsd, hide or burry ur guns, that goes for anyone who has went to shrink for any kinda of theropy.

This government is NOT a democratic form, but more over a communist form. Our gov looks down upon north korea, russia, viet nam, china and several other countries for oppressing their people with full government control, but yet OUR own gov is doing it toUS and yet nothing is gonna be done, not till its to late. To late to even try to mount any kind of defense of our rights. Voting does NOT help, it only allows for lesser of 2 evils to be elected, when there should NOT be any evil elected to a position with the power to control their citizens with midnight voting, stripping away our rights 2 by 2.
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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2014, 05:54:44 am »

Thanks ruben for posting that. I had herd of the docs asking about guns but never thought of my dislike for the way our gov is run to be a mental disorder!
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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2014, 06:32:00 am »

The way I understood it was the gov told the man his cows couldn't graze on public land without paying grazing fees or something like that. I like that everyone is so passionate about fighting for what's theirs, and if the land belonged to this man I would understand everyone's reaction. But I never saw where they tried to take the mans property or anything. Now granted, I don't see what business it is of the governments as to where his cows graze. That would seem to me like more of a state or local issue. Just my thoughts on it from what I understand of it. Hope everyone has a good weekend


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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2014, 11:22:18 am »

Anything is worth dying for "if" you are in the right.   But taking a one man stand against the gov. and a law that applies to all citizens is not a good ideal, and suggesting to die for that cause would not be considered wise.


oh, and who the he!! are you or any1 else to determine what is right or wrong when it comes to taking, no correct that, stealing land away from the owners for what those thieves would call "for the better of the people in whole", not just for 1 or 2 or 3. ur just as ludicrous as the politicians who thinks its right to do it in the first place.
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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2014, 03:50:43 pm »

The APA has done more than the ACLU to bring America to the gutter.
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« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2014, 09:53:35 pm »

let's clarify , what exactly did the court decide on mr. bundys case ? anybody know besides me ?
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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2014, 04:15:12 pm »

let's clarify , what exactly did the court decide on mr. bundys case ? anybody know besides me ?

Yes, the courts ordered Mr. Bundy not to trespass on federal land.

In the 80's, Bundy had a permit with the BLM to graze his cattle on federal land.  In the early 90's, he decided not to renew it and no longer pay grazing fees.  The BLM eventually sued him and the courts prohibited him from grazing his cattle on federal lands.  He ignored the court order.

The dispute has lasted 20 years or more.  He has evolved to the argument, not in court, that the federal government shouldn't own any land  ...  therefore he can run his cattle on any land that isn't privately owned.  An argument of a dubious nature.

I do not understand his defenders.  It isn't his land.  He refuses to pay to graze his cattle on it.  Basically, I think he is a freeloader.  Yet some are adamant that he is being wronged.  I don't understand it.
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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2014, 05:09:24 pm »

that ain't the way i heard it , i was told the judge decided he was right all along . maybe i was misinformed .
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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2014, 05:25:15 pm »

that ain't the way i heard it , i was told the judge decided he was right all along . maybe i was misinformed .

I am unaware of any cases.  In U.S. vs. Bundy (1998) he argued the land wasn't owned by the federal government but he court ruled it was and that he was trespassing and that the government had the right to enforce injunctions on him for trespassing.

In 2012, again U.S. vs. Bundy, the issue was litigated again due to the cattle having relocated to an area not covered by the original court order.

He also lost a court case in which he argued the federal government lacked jurisdiction because they couldn't own land and that the land must be owned by the state.

He has now evolved to the position that 'he' doesn't recognize the federal government as even existing.

I don't see any court agreeing with his legal positions.  Ever.
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