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« on: May 29, 2014, 04:04:14 pm » |
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So I went and got a $50 used treadmill to work out my dogs. I need to modify slightly for the dogs but I'm hoping it will work out great.
Question:
I've read several recent reports/articles about how human athletes are starting to train for endurance by sprinting and resting in short spurts rather than just running for a long time at a slow/steady pace. IE run 100yds jog for 300, rinse and repeat and as you get more fit you can get to sprint 100 jog 100, rinse and repeat.
Has anyone found an effective, yet time efficient, manner to get dogs into better hunting shape on a treadmill. I will have 4 dogs soon and at 30 minutes per three times a week that's a lot of time I have to sit there making sure they don't hurt themselves. I was hoping to cut it to 15 per 3 times a week but have them sprinting more?
Any thoughts.
Thanks.
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TazD
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2014, 04:57:26 pm » |
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If you hunted them in the woods with a Garmin you could see what speed they hunted in and what speed they ran when they struck game. From there I would take their hunting speed and increase by 20 o/o. I would do the same for the striking speed. Do them in intervals of 400yds. With a slow trot in between that's 20 o/o lower then the hunting speed. I would do this for 15min 3x a week for each dog. Asses after 3wks and make adjustments if needed for increased conditioning.
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Bowhunter1994
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2014, 06:12:01 pm » |
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Not sure how fast your treadmill is but mine only goes 10 mph. That's slow!!!
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If you cant hang with the big dogs STAY ON THE PORCH.
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Reuben
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2014, 06:44:32 pm » |
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if it were me I would ramp them up to 10 mph for 10 to 15 minutes twice a week and call it good...3 times a week is better but if hunting 1 time a week it will be enough in my opinion...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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charles
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2014, 11:22:35 pm » |
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Wind sprints do work for endurance and speed for humans and should work the same for dogs, but like others hav said, max spd is bout 10mph, which wouldnt be fast enough for am effective exercise on dogs. Maybe putting a bigger motor (if possible) or pull the existing motor out and modify the tread roller with a small pulley and put a big pulley on the motor. A 4/1 gear/pulley system would quadruple the speed.
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Goose87
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2014, 05:34:22 am » |
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How about you take the time it's going take you to exercise them each week and put them in the woods and hunt them and let them exercise themselves.
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pblenis
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2014, 06:30:25 am » |
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How about you take the time it's going take you to exercise them each week and put them in the woods and hunt them and let them exercise themselves.
Cant always get in the wood. Part of the problem. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk |
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sandbank slayer
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2014, 09:01:25 am » |
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I'll get some pics for ya, but my partner has an old axle buried in the ground. It has 2 arms on it. 1 holds the dog on a snap and the other has a small cage on it. We put a chicken in the cage to start the puppies on it and a small pig to start the grown dogs. After they run it once or twice you can do away with the chicken/pig and they'll run on there own. Didn't taken em very long to figure it out and now they have a good beaten down track. It works great, he runs em till they slow down and puts another 1 on there by the time you get done with all of em the 1st one is ready again. They work themselves out.
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charles
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2014, 09:05:48 am » |
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How about you take the time it's going take you to exercise them each week and put them in the woods and hunt them and let them exercise themselves.
Im sure if he had the time, he would but he dont so he is looking the next best thing. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2014, 09:34:04 am » |
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well i'll throw in my couple of penny's . just find a good speed they are comfortable with and let them trot it out .. when is the last time you watched or seen a fox or yote just sprint for the heck of it ? you just want to keep their muscles toned up , your not entering them in the greyhound derby's [ or are you lol ] you keep their muscles toned and their weight in check , and all else will be in place . if they don't have the heart [ or drive ] to finish a race no amount of conditioning will give it to them .
SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE !!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll get some pics for ya, but my partner has an old axle buried in the ground. It has 2 arms on it. 1 holds the dog on a snap and the other has a small cage on it. We put a chicken in the cage to start the puppies on it and a small pig to start the grown dogs. After they run it once or twice you can do away with the chicken/pig and they'll run on there own. Didn't taken em very long to figure it out and now they have a good beaten down track. It works great, he runs em till they slow down and puts another 1 on there by the time you get done with all of em the 1st one is ready again. They work themselves out.
Thats old school right there, but it works great. They are called cat mills or jenny mills |
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Ya we've always used for bulldogs. They work like a champ, only thing you'll ever replace is the bearings on the axle and unless you have a track star in your kennels it'll be awhile before you replace them. Plus just about everyone has an old axle laying around some where.
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I'll get some pics for ya, but my partner has an old axle buried in the ground. It has 2 arms on it. 1 holds the dog on a snap and the other has a small cage on it. We put a chicken in the cage to start the puppies on it and a small pig to start the grown dogs. After they run it once or twice you can do away with the chicken/pig and they'll run on there own. Didn't taken em very long to figure it out and now they have a good beaten down track. It works great, he runs em till they slow down and puts another 1 on there by the time you get done with all of em the 1st one is ready again. They work themselves out.
Will this work with a couple dogs at a time there used be a guy around here that run water races looked like his was setup for 4 dogs but I never seen him use it |
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well i'll throw in my couple of penny's . just find a good speed they are comfortable with and let them trot it out .. when is the last time you watched or seen a fox or yote just sprint for the heck of it ? you just want to keep their muscles toned up , your not entering them in the greyhound derby's [ or are you lol ] you keep their muscles toned and their weight in check , and all else will be in place . if they don't have the heart [ or drive ] to finish a race no amount of conditioning will give it to them .
SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE !!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup, a good quick trot and build them up slow till you are putting some real time on the mill with them. It should build their stamina which in turn will build the natural speed at which they work because they will not be tired and should be able to last much longer working. Just a couple of more penny's to add to the pot. lol |
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You got to start out slow and work them up. Easy to screw a dog up with to much work . A over worked dog is in much much worse shape than a dog that never worked and you just cut him off the chain.
The very best work on a mill for a dog is a fast quick trot it is the trot that they are in just before they go into a lope. You want to work a dogs ass off put him in that gait and it will work his whole body inside and out . But you got to be careful not to put to much work on him if you do you are doing nothing more than screwing him up badly. Watch his tonge when it starts to widen he is getting hot when it starts to curl up you fixing to loose him if you don't watch out. When you work your dog on a mill and his work is done be sure to walk him out and let him cool down naturally do not artificially cool him down with a water hose are anything like that . Walk him out let his body learn to cool hiself dog not you cool him down because when he gets in a bind you are not gonna be able to be there for him to throw the water hose on him. You got to let the dogs body learn to deal with the stress he is under and how to control it . Lot to it man .
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You got a ele mill are a free spinning mill
I don't know what kind of mill you got if its a free spinning mill and not ele. You need to be sure and ck it out and make sure it is free free spinning and not hard to turn. The more free it spins the better it is . A hard turning mill will screw a dogs back and kidneys up in a hell of a hurry . You will have him pissing blood in no time if it is a hard spinning mill .
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Here is a pic of my buddy's dog mill. It's kinda blurry but you can still see the idea. Don't know about puttin more than 1 dog on it.  Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Tapatalk |
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