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And some people wonder why we have running hogs!
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MrsLouisianaHogDog
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And some people wonder why we have running hogs!
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And some people wonder why we have running hogs!
Yes indeed ^ Releasing hogs has nothing to do with running hogs. |
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BA-IV
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And some people wonder why we have running hogs!
Are you serious? Do you have any research backing up your statement or is this your opinion? Pretty sure rough bay busting packs of dogs with about 500 yards of bottom cause most of the runners, but that's just my observations  |
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So a dog busting a bay educates hogs to run. But , catching and releasing doesn't ?  |
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There's a coon, nevermind, thats Buster.
"So I pawned my lacy off to my girlfriend. That should teach her to meet men off match.com"
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Yes have seen with my own eyes a bay buster,will and does make hogs run.back in the days iam talking bout runners were slim,when we caught one,we would eat him,are cut him put in pen eat latter,hogs were our stock we took care of them.i dont think we made runners cause we was in the woods working hogs.wat made runners were i come from,is ppl hunting them that went from running deer with walkers,they switched to hog hunting,with open every breath ,and bay busting dogs.some dont understand this way of life,each there own.
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Bo Pugh
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use to over here hogs wouldnt hardly run it wasnt no such thing as a 2-8 hour race it was bayed within a few hundred yards but as the woods got logged and clearcuts became more popular and pine thickets the open swamp was done away with and its easy for a dog to stop a hog in the open woods but in a clearcut its alot tougher for a dog to even catch up to a hog. and i think when a hog is bayed and some ruff dogs try to catch and they fool around and let him go hes not hardly going to stop again and let them get another chance at him
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Yes have seen with my own eyes a bay buster,will and does make hogs run.back in the days iam talking bout runners were slim,when we caught one,we would eat him,are cut him put in pen eat latter,hogs were our stock we took care of them.i dont think we made runners cause we was in the woods working hogs.wat made runners were i come from,is ppl hunting them that went from running deer with walkers,they switched to hog hunting,with open every breath ,and bay busting dogs.some dont understand this way of life,each there own.
By your own post you penned up the hogs. You didn't cut and release. That is what I referenced in my post. I am not questioning anyone's past time. I could care less what people do but to say catching and releasing doesn't make hogs harder to catch is absurd. |
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There's a coon, nevermind, thats Buster.
"So I pawned my lacy off to my girlfriend. That should teach her to meet men off match.com"
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I think there are three factors at play here.
Rough dogs who teach a pig that if you can make it X amount of distance . . you will be left alone.
Catching a pig for any amount of time and even just stressing him (let alone castrating him) and then releasing him . . . shows him that getting away at any cost is better than being caught and tortured.
The hogs most folks are running today are vastly different from the old free range rooters and slightly domesticated hogs that your grandpa worked and penned. The infusion of Eurasian boar genetics causes them to react differently to any combination of the above factors. Modern vs. old style hogs are as different as dogs and wolves. A feral dog that is caught and released will likely be easier to catch next time as long as he isn't handled too poorly. A wolf is going to be way more cautious . . and way more dangerous, afterwards.
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So a dog busting a bay educates hogs to run. But , catching and releasing doesn't ? I'm not saying cutting boars doesn't educate them to run, but in most areas the Barrs we are re catching don't run nearly as bad as them boar hogs that have torn and ripped up ears that's been healed, which suggests to me he's already had an encounter with some rough dogs that didn't quite do their job well enough. |
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Ba-iv iam with you on that.good point barlow.
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I think there's good points on both sides.... and I really do not feel that there is a 'Right' or 'Wrong' here. I'm pretty much on the page that any hog that's been bayed up by rough dogs before, or bayed/caught then released will likely be a runner from that point on, once they know what a dog is. They aren't stupid, and will likely associate the dogs with that negative experience of being caught/human interaction which they want nothing to do with of course.
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Bo Pugh, Ba-iv & Barlow nailed it. All are major factors.
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colecross
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Ive seen this to,in open farm fields,open mouth dog running a hog,every so often hog would stop and listen,and take off 2 r 3 hundred yards stop and do it again,same place silent mouth dogs running hog he stops and listen dont hear nothing kinda stays in fast walk ,dogs catch up to him,bayed hog.i dont wont a race i wont a bay.
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I find it the complete opposite. The places that are hunted hard and everything killed the hogs run and run and run.
Yet I have spots that have been dog hunted hundred and hundred of years. All cut mark and release. And in those spots you can actually bay up a rally as long as you aint hunting alligators. If you bay up a group and dont catch the sows and only catch the boar shoats to cut and make barrs. They will not run as bad!
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BA-IV
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Ive seen this to,in open farm fields,open mouth dog running a hog,every so often hog would stop and listen,and take off 2 r 3 hundred yards stop and do it again,same place silent mouth dogs running hog he stops and listen dont hear nothing kinda stays in fast walk ,dogs catch up to him,bayed hog.i dont wont a race i wont a bay.
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Bo Pugh
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And if you already have runners real bad why not Barr a few hogs and at least it would be rewarding when you do catch one of them. It's usually always better to catch a badass bar hog than a average boar. And usually a good Barr is more picture worthy than a boar.
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MrsLouisianaHogDog
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I just enjoy the over all experience of being out with my dogs and watching them work. We kill what we catch and our family eats the meat. We primarily hunt to put food on our table. I guess I'm in the minority but while I'd be tickled to catch a huge brag worthy hog with my dogs, I'm just as happy when they bay up/catch a hundred pounder. I'm still smiling even when we have a dry run. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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Reuben
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my opinion is that yes hogs get educated...but the biggest thing that I see having changed is that the hogs tend to be more of the Russian type and that to me has to do with culling...we catch the hogs that want to stop and fight and those that look more like barn yard hogs...the Russian type are fierce fighters but they would rather run than fight...and those that are smart enough will run and those that have the most stamina will live to breed another day...and if the pack of dogs are better then the culling factor is keener...Do I have proof...yes but not enough data to say for sure...but over the years I have seen the change in the hogs...We kill every hog we catch and the hogs are as thick as ever...it is expected every where we hunt...
I remember back in the 1960's there were ads in the back of Field and Stream and The Outdoor Life magazines about selling wild hogs to release onto the deer leases because it would be a bonus for the deer hunters to shoot them...used to not be any around my area where I grew up at and that place is over ran with them...have been for many years...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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Educated hogs run. Hogs that learn they can whip dogs fight. My question is why is it when a topic like this comes up everyone says stuff about rough dogs not running 500 yards. Why is it assumed a rough dog has no bottom. I have seen loose dogs that wouldn't stay either. Don't they teach the hog to run because if he goes far enough they will quit.
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