1/2 Plott 1/2 BMC

[txmaverick]

In defense of a new comer to the sport, I know where this dog came from and his blood line, I have a litter mate in my yard right now and know of 2 more from this litter all are working great and at thier age I can see where a young hunter would want to breed to them.
The other young man that has 2 of them is asking that already, cant say I blame them watching 4 of this blood line work.

This is not the first crossing of these two bloodlines but it is the last, the man that bred these dogs is getting out of cur dogs after some 20 yrs of breeding and all have made great dogs, from hogs, to cats, to blood dogs.
Dont just assume that because someone is new and has a new dog that the breeding isnt there.

If he is doing that good, breed him all you want, n o ones business but yours.

[boarwild]

wow how do you know so much about Ike.  didn't know anyone knew about this breeding.  I was just going to let it go, but i greatly appreciate your words.  i think that some may not believe what an 18 week old dog can do so some automaticly miss judge.  The line is not known in east texas so that could be the issue.  if i breed or not i am proud of the dog and honestly don't care what is said of him.  Mike ya'll do a great job on the site!! 

[kevin]

This is not the first crossing of these two bloodlines but it is the last, the man that bred these dogs is getting out of cur dogs after some 20 yrs of breeding and all have made great dogs, from hogs, to cats, to blood dogs.
Dont just assume that because someone is new and has a new dog that the breeding isnt there.

If he is doing that good, breed him all you want, n o ones business but yours.

One shouldn't make an assumption that because the breeding is there that the dog is breeding quality.  If all of that guys dogs made great dogs then somebodys standards are low or he knows something about breeding that no one else in the world knows.  
  I would agree its no ones business but it was posted on a public forum.  

   Disclaimer***** my opinion only.  In no way meant to be a bashing post.

[txmaverick]

guess my standards are to low..............................ill keep breeding my potlickers and catchin hogs

[raider54]

Mike, I wasnt suggesting anyone was bashing, I was trying to let a new guy know that in this crowd thick skin is a good thing. I to believe you guys do a pretty good job policeing out of line comments.

[cward]

I think it is good that you spend alot of time with your pup..He should make a good hog dog...Gentics are impotant but putting the time into your dog is just important!!!Good luck with him and I would hang on to him.Keep us posted on how he is doing!! Sometimes typeing on this board people come off the wrong way when they did not mean it that way..

[boarwild]

yes it is hard to convey feeling and expression through typed words.  I apoligize to Mike and other admin on this site for causing an up roar.  A simple post has turned into something real silly.  I like the dog, and i am keeping him, and if he turns into a good dog i may breed him.  I am new to owning a dog, but have been hunting since i was very little.  i have lots of learning to do.  I appreciate all comments good and bad.  I will post Ike's progress later down the road.  "get em boys" 

[jsh]

Congrats on your pup.  Nothing like watching your dog progress.  No matter how the dog turns out- you'll probably never sell him if he's your first.  I don't know everything, but I'd like to mention something to you based on experience since you're new to the hog dog scene.  Taking an 18 week old pup to the woods can be a very dangerous thing.  I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but you might want to work him on a couple rough sows so that he learns to RESPECT a hog before he encounters a bad one in the woods.  Good luck to you.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Congrats on your pup.  Nothing like watching your dog progress.  No matter how the dog turns out- you'll probably never sell him if he's your first.  I don't know everything, but I'd like to mention something to you based on experience since you're new to the hog dog scene.  Taking an 18 week old pup to the woods can be a very dangerous thing.  I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but you might want to work him on a couple rough sows so that he learns to RESPECT a hog before he encounters a bad one in the woods.  Good luck to you.

That is a very good post.  This man has passed great advise on to you.  I hope Ike turns in to a fine one.  Keep the pics coming.

[boarwild]

you know that did cross my mind.  i think that is a great idea.  i will take you advice and go with it.  What about maybe taking him and keep him leashed until a bay and walking him up to it.  worth it or a bad idea?

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

you know that did cross my mind.  i think that is a great idea.  i will take you advice and go with it.  What about maybe taking him and keep him leashed until a bay and walking him up to it.  worth it or a bad idea?

Personally, I don't like the idea.  A lot of times it sends a message to them, that when they arrive to a bay, it is time to dive on.  It creates a "catchdog" mentality.  Nothing wrong with working 80 pound shoalts in a controlled woods environment until Ike grows a bit more.

[boarwild]

good point.  so the million dollar question, they may open another can of worms.  What is a good age to start a pup in the woods. 

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

good point.  so the million dollar question, they may open another can of worms.  What is a good age to start a pup in the woods. 

Great question.  However, it is not an age.  It is a frame of mind mixed with a stage in a dog's growth.  When they no longer run like a puppy, that is a good place to evaluate their reasoning skills.  I want to know that they see consequences before they do immature things in the woods.  This can often get them in trouble.

[txmaverick]

This is my ages for starting and what they get to do; at 3-6 months depending on the pup they start riding just to get the social skills, 6-9 months they start going to the bay depending on the pup, 9-12 months they start hunting out with the grown dogs depending on the pup. Now there are many varibles that come into play, like.....what do you want the dog to be, how grity, so on......I dont expect much from a pup until 6-9 months old. You can push a pup to much and take the fun out of it for them, then you end up with a help dog at best. I have seen some very young pups working great then by the time they are the right age to work they have no desire to.

I wouldnt do much in the woods with one until 6-9 months old and that would be very limited and controled.

[dgdawsonBMCs]

I agree with cutter, generally I like to take the average cur dog at about 9 months, the average hound matures a little later.  The main thing you want the dog to do is to be able to protect himself and not put to much burden on a growing body....

[dgdawsonBMCs]

now the advise above was for a full hunt....you can go for a walk in the woods with them at anytime, but if you know you are likely to be in a bay situation they need to be armed and ready for that...

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

I've got 2 17 week old hound pups right now.  When I go to the woods, I bring them with me. While we are riding the woods, they are learning that barking just to bark is unaceptable.  I use this time to set the foundation for future learning.  When I say "shut up", I make sure they are getting the point that this is just that.  It is time to shut their mouths.  It also gets them used to riding in the dog box banging around with other dogs.  Typically, I just place them in the same compartment alone with eachother, however, I have also placed them in the compartments with grown dogs.  This gets them used to making contact, and not taking exception to it.  No one likes a growly dog in a box.  When I am listening to the big dogs go, I will throw the pups out around the truck.  It gives them time to explore the woods, and all the smells that go along with it.  Generally, if my truck is parked where I turned out, there is some form of hog sign around.  It lets them go about learning to follow the scent without making them do it.  Ditches become an everyday event to cross, so they become very comfortable with working around water, even if it means crossing it where they have to swim.  Baby steps, that is where you should concentrate at this stage of the game.

[boarwild]

Well this has turned into a great discussion as far as i'm concerned.  i can now see that there are many different technique's on training.  i guess i am going to take all of this advice and find a way to make it work for me and my dog.  Just to through something out there i would think that the environment you hunt in may change the way you do things, yes or no. 

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Location as well as type of dog you hope to end up with should for sure vary your training techniques.  Training a walk in catch dog, would be basically doing a lot of lead work at this age.  However, a good strike dog, should have the opportunity to ride in the box, and get used to traveling in the woods.  If you are going to hunt pasture, it will vary than if you are hunting hardwoods.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

When you and your hunting buddies go hog dogging, how do you usually do it?  I think you may get better advise if we all knew your style.