Getting a dog to get out there.

[Mike]

Judge, I agree about bottom and I have no answer for that.   It's all about heart and desire at the point!

That's where good genetics come in...

[thegroundskeeper]

I personally don't think you can breed or teach heart!

[Judge peel]

I don't think you can breed much of any of it good breeding don't hurt but if it was just that easy we would all have much better dogs jmo

[Reuben]

I personally don't think you can breed or teach heart!

I agree with not teaching heart...a pup is born with it...and the chances of having a higher percentage of pups born that way in a litter of pups is through selection...if both parents have it and all 4 grandparents have it then why wouldn't most of the pups have it?

[t.wilbanks]

I don't think you can breed much of any of it good breeding don't hurt but if it was just that easy we would all have much better dogs jmo

If you could TRAIN range, bottom, and heart like alot of people claim, we would all have better dogs too...
But you dont see that happening... Why?

[jdt]

i've been at draft horse sales and they run a lil old knotty colt through that i woulldnt have thought bring 100 dollars .

they read the papers and he brings 5000 ! why ? because his daddy was a world champion pullin horse , and known for passing that heart and desire on to his get .

yes heart is in the genetics , just like everything else .

[Judge peel]

T will banks I do beleave you can train most things to a certain point by rep but at the same time dogs aren't computer programs where you can order up what you want lol. And I think good dogs come from all kinds of dogs bred every kind of way. like I said if it was just up to breeding everyone would have better dogs I think dogs out come is 25% breeding 25% handler 50% the dog I think we have less to do with it than we think the DEA uses mutts to find drugs and we think we have to have the best bred dog to find hogs just a thought from a simple man

[Judge peel]

A animal bred to pull weight is a lot differnt than a dog bred to search out and bay game but I get what your saying it really just a roll of the dice but some dice are loaded better

[HOGHUNTERX2]

Good post Ed, I believe if a dog is born with it, a good dog handler can bring it out!!

[Peachcreek]

Its genetics... hunt, bottom and baying ability. I have pups and have seen pups that have not been handled or "trained" at all have more hunt and bottom than most "trained" older dogs. If a dog needs trained it dont need my dog feed and time. How many wild boars have you tracked for miles and once you found it ran it for a few hours until it bays? Until YOU can do that you are not training chit. All you can do is put them on hogs the rest is genetics. Either they have it or they dont. my two pennies on tha matter.

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[t.wilbanks]

T will banks I do beleave you can train most things to a certain point by rep but at the same time dogs aren't computer programs where you can order up what you want lol. And I think good dogs come from all kinds of dogs bred every kind of way. like I said if it was just up to breeding everyone would have better dogs I think dogs out come is 25% breeding 25% handler 50% the dog I think we have less to do with it than we think the DEA uses mutts to find drugs and we think we have to have the best bred dog to find hogs just a thought from a simple man

I bet if you named off what the dogs On your yard has in them, I bet 95% will be breeds that have been bred for hunting/catching...   Why are non hunting breeds not used if 50% is from want to in the dog... I'm sure there are schitzus that want to be like jagds or dalmati

[t.wilbanks]

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Dalmatians that want to run and tree like hounds... But they aren't BRED for it... You may find one or two but you gonna go through A LOT of em!!!!

[bigo]

 While breeding doesn't guaranty good dogs, it does up your odds considerably. If a man has high standards and no kennel blindness, he is going to get a good many culls from any breeding program. A handler can enhance whats there and make a good dog better but he can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. With that being said, I have seen good dogs come from some unlikely breedings and places but it is very doubtfull they will produce much.

[Judge peel]

Peachcreek I understanding what you are saying. My friend got a high dollar high bred wright blood dog from wright himself and a pup from my red dog Ladner x Ben Jordan blood nothing special just average dogs that pup walks all over the better bred dog just saying. I have a trash bred mutt that will go miles has a nose for big boars he ain't perfect but I would put him against any dog win or lose just a dog of chance no one wanted I got him off the side of the hwy from a young lady. You can ask any one that has hunted with me. If I could afford the best bred dog I would still prefer the odd balls I guess that's just my style

[Judge peel]

T will banks my best dog until 4 yrs ago was a heeler x rot of corse we use the breeds that have been hunted for two hundred yrs but I wasn't saying not out of hunting stock just dogs out of our preferd breeds not so much  a certain line

[t.wilbanks]

Peachcreek I understanding what you are saying. My friend got a high dollar high bred wright blood dog from wright himself and a pup from my red dog Ladner x Ben Jordan blood nothing special just average dogs that pup walks all over the better bred dog just saying. I have a trash bred mutt that will go miles has a nose for big boars he ain't perfect but I would put him against any dog win or lose just a dog of chance no one wanted I got him off the side of the hwy from a young lady. You can ask any one that has hunted with me. If I could afford the best bred dog I would still prefer the odd balls I guess that's just my style

There is a difference between bred for papers/money and bred for working...  I would consider Ben Jordan's dogs to be MUCH better bred than Randy's...   

Bet you won't see Ben breeding just any ol cur dog because he can train it or hope the dog has want to...

[Judge peel]

Well that's two of us lol

[t.wilbanks]

Well that's two of us lol

Atleast we finally agreed on something.. 

[Judge peel]

Lol t willbanks I agree with most of what you are saying but I would never admit it. I have learned over many yrs that what you think should sometime won't and what shouldn't will and here is something else I have much respect for you as a younger man most guys on here in most any diss get mad and start talking smack you didn't willingness to lissen to others opion is a gift most won't entertain a single thought out side there own

[t.wilbanks]

Lol t willbanks I agree with most of what you are saying but I would never admit it. I have learned over many yrs that what you think should sometime won't and what shouldn't will and here is something else I have much respect for you as a younger man most guys on here in most any diss get mad and start talking smack you didn't willingness to lissen to others opion is a gift most won't entertain a single thought out side there own

Well I guess you could say my willingness to listen pushed me to observe how certain people were breeding dogs which led to my conclusion that it is Genetics and not Training... But thank you...