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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2014, 05:26:45 pm » |
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if I were in the market for a good APBT I would be looking for a well built pup that is not hyper...black brindle or dark red or dark yellow...or even light chocolate in color...not a heavy boned dog but showing lots of power sppeed and quickness...from at least 3 generationsof catch dogs and males about 75-80 pounds...I would pay 300 to 400 dollars for that pup...
this pup is very valuable to me in several ways...I will like the size, color, natural ability and the looks...I love a good looking dog that is the complete package...and just as important...if I decide to raise a few pups this dog will have the breeding potential as well...
I believe and feel the same way about the strike dogs as well...
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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2014, 01:43:45 am » |
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My 300 cur dog has found hundreds of hogs that my two 300 dollar catch dogs caught. You could not buy a bulldog from me or my cheap cur dog. A good bulldog is just as important to me as my bay dogs if not more. To be honest I think I would probably give my bulldog to a friend then sell him. A lot of dogs catch hogs , not many are catch dogs.
Just because he cost you $300 doesn't mean you could replace him for that! You will have way more invested in your pup than $300 by the time she is a yr old. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2014, 10:42:34 am » |
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Boils down to this when your cd can go in alone catch a big boar hog hold him and not get murdered time and time again then you got one. but I would rather have manners and handle cuz a decent bulldog should have a good holding bite. But some are truly better than others just like a strike dog
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« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2014, 08:33:00 pm » |
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I just bring my bay dogs and a long piece of rope and i'm catching hogs with out a catch dog, And i hunt like this more then i do with a catch dog, And my dogs bay semi loose so if it's to big for me to rope or jump on him i'll come back with a catch dog. Really good strike dogs that's very consistence is hard to come by! Pitbull or bulldogs are not because they are 5 dollars on Fridays at the spca.
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« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2014, 08:44:46 pm » |
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Kinda like those 5 dollar foot longs at subway lol
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« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2014, 09:51:51 am » |
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Kinda like those 5 dollar foot longs at subway lol
Yep just like em, taste like pooey, spend a couple more bucks at local bakery and get a real sandwich. If you could consistently pick up a good/jam up CD at the spca we'd all be down there, bottom line is that's a craps shoot. Sometimes you win,most times you don't. You could prolly find a strike dog the same way, with time. Why breed selectively for a strike dogs year after year and cut yourself short with CD from who knows where. Jmo. |
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« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2014, 12:48:19 pm » |
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catch dogs are a dime a dozen in my eyes! The last time you where in the market for a strike dog how many did y'all trail or hunt? So truly Look at the amount it takes you to get a good dog not some number2 dog that runs 1/4 to a mile and falls off! If you can say a catch dog is evenly at VALUE as a strike dog good luck with your culls! I know most of y'all would say your lead dog is not replaceable!
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« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2014, 02:12:32 pm » |
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Be very hard to replace my top 3 or 4 dogs not that they are that good but they do what I ask of them. If you cull a lot of dogs you should ask why are they not cutting it and change where you are getting them from. Here is what a good cd should be to me not trouble period at any time and catch when asked to do so then go back to chill. Most any bulldog will catch that may be what your saying idk but all the other stuff is what sets them apart
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« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2014, 03:39:20 pm » |
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So you like a catch dog that has handle ? That fall's into the handler job and some are breed to have more handle then others. I'm sure the place i get my strike dogs from are just as good if not better then most! No i don't cull much because i only take in one pup at a time to give them the best chance one can while raising and hunting! But this stuff is off the subject tho! I know if you put the #s against good strike dog and good catch dog the strike dogs are harder to come by, And your not catching many hogs with just a catch dog if you don't have the strike dogs to find, bay and contain a hog for the catch dog to catch!! rcd do not count..lol And there's more then one way to catch or kill a hog without a catch dog around just saying... Well this is just my 2 cents on what a catch dog is worth.
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« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2014, 07:06:19 pm » |
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Ya your right on the numbers part I guess those guys that bred bulldogs 200 yrs ago did a better job breeding then ever one else cuz a watered down bred for looks bulldog on average can do his job better than the average line bred cur dog lol jmo if ya want to look at numbers
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« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2014, 07:26:18 pm » |
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back in the 1980's it was easy to find a catch dog...today it is not so easy...
The last 2 APBT's I bought I bought for proper body build and size...I culled the first one and I went and bought a game bred red red nosed pup...he was as pretty as a picture and was all I would ever want except he was culled for not being a solid catch dog...
strike dogs are hard to find but once you find the right hunting line you can have a yard full of good to great strike dogs...just breed a litter and keep 5 or 6 pups...
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« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2014, 08:42:01 pm » |
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back in the 1980's it was easy to find a catch dog...today it is not so easy...
The last 2 APBT's I bought I bought for proper body build and size...I culled the first one and I went and bought a game bred red red nosed pup...he was as pretty as a picture and was all I would ever want except he was culled for not being a solid catch dog...
strike dogs are hard to find but once you find the right hunting line you can have a yard full of good to great strike dogs...just breed a litter and keep 5 or 6 pups...
If I lost my whole pack tonight, I could find two new Bulldogs by tommorow. But i bet it would take me 6 months to find another strike dog worth feeding. And probably cost me around 2000-2500$ I'm not sure what caliber dogs yall are feeding but if their in the same class as a bulldog that tells the story. Your right judge a watered down bull dog can do his job on average but he don't have to do anything that requires brains or any kind or thinking a Bulldogs job is not that difficult he don't have to run through a briar thicket 5 hours or have to trail anything ,swim rivers and he's usually going to have some help when he catches too so he don't have to do all that by him self. what does it take to make a great catch dog in yalls opinions. I like them about 55lbs red and ear dogs and not hiper and when I get them off a hog tie them to a tree and they sit there and wait on me to get them and take them back to the four-wheeler |
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« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2014, 08:46:39 pm » |
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Not tryin to be a smarta#$ but you could go find a couple bulldogs that would catch and then sit quiet when hooked to a tree. And find this sized and color dog overnite. You have better connections than I do!
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« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2014, 08:59:31 pm » |
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Bulldogs come dime a dozen in my opinion. U can always find a bulldog wether it be from another hunting buddy, the pound on the side of the road whatever. They r much easier to train once u find out if they will catch or not. I mean if they get killed, crippled up, cut down etc I no enough fellow hunters that I can find another bulldog. The best bulldog in the world is useless if u ain't got a good strike dog... The sky is the limit one them Bulldogs on the other hand r just to easy to come by at least around here just my opinion
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« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2014, 09:13:58 pm » |
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I can see most of y'all don't give a good bulldog much credit or should I say value that's cool just depends what side of the street your on. There is no ? A good strike dog is hard to find and harder to make than a cd that's not the ? I just feel like the dogs are a team one job is as important as the other IMO
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« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2014, 09:33:51 pm » |
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My take is this. A man that is willing to drop a lot of money usually thinks that that is the only way to get a good dog.
A man that doesn't have or isn't willing to drop that cash looks in other places for less money.
This does not mean one or the other is looking for a better dog. In fact they are just using different methods to find the same jewel.
If I lost every dog I have tonight I would be a couple years getting what I have back. It wouldn't be cash that gets me there. I don't have any. I would use my gut and my eye. I would find the best I could for as little as possible. I would hope to see that diamond in the rough that the other guy don't. My dogs may or may not be as good as some I don't know. I can say that all of my dogs are worth more than what they cost me originally.
I guess the question woulda got better response and probly closer to what the theme of the post was if it had been asked this way.
What would it cost a man to buy the CD u run today?
What would it cost to buy the best CD u have ever owned?
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« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2014, 10:02:00 pm » |
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Not tryin to be a smarta#$ but you could go find a couple bulldogs that would catch and then sit quiet when hooked to a tree. And find this sized and color dog overnite. You have better connections than I do!
Lol Guess they never seen a bulldog, pick and choose! |
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« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2014, 07:59:04 am » |
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Not tryin to be a smarta#$ but you could go find a couple bulldogs that would catch and then sit quiet when hooked to a tree. And find this sized and color dog overnite. You have better connections than I do!
This is the internet... |
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« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2014, 11:17:06 am » |
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This is the internet....
I hog hunt to catch big hogs. I have owned some of the sorriest bulldogs a person could own, and have legged hogs behind some of what I think are as good as they get. I DO NOT put alot of emphasis on my bulldogs. I would love to raise a good bulldog out of blood that just does it all, and plan on it, BUT the fact remains that I've been given and picked up bulldogs and most of em will catch. They will NOT catch how you like them to, where you want them to, handle like you want them to, or go to a bay like you want them to, but they will catch. The junky bulldogs work, they're just a pain in the a$$.
I will not pay alot of money for a bulldog simply, because I am satisfied on raising a mediocre bulldog. ALL they have to do is catch a hog to live on my yard, I'll cull later for the little things. I have walked in behind bulldogs that have cur'd out, and have had to use cur dogs to catch one, rope a few to catch em, and wound up empty handed because of a bulldog. The simple fact is a bulldog's purpose is singular, thats it, so my efforts go into my cur dogs, because if I can't get one stood up, and then made to bay, they're ain't much sense packing a bulldog unless you're just trying to look cool. I might get looked down upon for this, but you guys prolly got a few hundred dollars worth of cut gear, I got a $50 vest that was given to me, it fits this bulldog, and is to big for that one, and to small for the other one, but hell I catch plenty of big hogs with em. Half the time the bulldogs I hunt are so sorry they don't deserve to be on the food bill, but thats the difference between Internet hunting and real hunting.
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