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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2014, 07:45:57 pm » |
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nice pup...lots of Hammond in the pedigree...if I decide to get a bulldog more than likely it will be one from his yard and I will pick it myself...
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2014, 08:15:29 pm » |
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A friend of mine owned the Tanner dog and he was as good as anything that looked thru a collar. This feller did do a lil hog huntin at one time although not with Tanner!
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2014, 08:23:02 pm » |
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Weve owned a few and have never been dissapointed. This is the first one were going to have that didnt come directly off his yard. Mr Gary is a good man...and im honored to have him as a friend. Ive heard ALOT of great things about the Tanner dog as well. Im really lookin forward to this pup. Gettin him from a real nice gal. Gained a new friend in the process.  |
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2014, 08:37:30 am » |
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Well krystale when you get him, make sure to post a pic I'd sure like to see. I met Codyscatchdogs at Brents house and she had some very good lookin pups off his dogs. We only talked for a minute but she seemed to be happy with the product. Maybe she'll see the post and elaborate on how they are working for her.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2014, 10:41:50 am » |
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Well krystale when you get him, make sure to post a pic I'd sure like to see. I met Codyscatchdogs at Brents house and she had some very good lookin pups off his dogs. We only talked for a minute but she seemed to be happy with the product. Maybe she'll see the post and elaborate on how they are working for her.
I sure will!! Im actually meeting Cody next week lol. Were swappin pups Thats who im getting him from. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2014, 11:02:32 am » |
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I've already explained to MrsLouisiana that I haven't had much luck with the Hammonds blood. I'm going to work with the 2 last pure ones I have and if I just can't get this stuff to work for me then I will outcross it and leave it behind. That may take me a couple years! If The 2 females I have right now don't make hog dogs but I like other things about them, I will kindly turn them into brood stock. Thus culling their offspring HARD! Years... MrsLouisuana has had the Hammonds blood before, she knows what she's getting into  |
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2014, 11:47:59 am » |
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Yes indeed. The Hammonds blood crosses VERY well with the lines I run. Weve had a high success rate in offspring when crossing his blood into 'ours.'
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2014, 12:08:30 pm » |
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I've already explained to MrsLouisiana that I haven't had much luck with the Hammonds blood. I'm going to work with the 2 last pure ones I have and if I just can't get this stuff to work for me then I will outcross it and leave it behind. That may take me a couple years! If The 2 females I have right now don't make hog dogs but I like other things about them, I will kindly turn them into brood stock. Thus culling their offspring HARD! Years... MrsLouisuana has had the Hammonds blood before, she knows what she's getting into I like the looks of the Hammond dogs...What is the reason why you had to cull them? I like great looking dogs but that doesn't mean anything if the catch isn't there or if the want to fight all the time... |
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2014, 01:39:22 pm » |
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Getting into catch dogs I wanted a lot from my dogs. I was used to my dogs catching at 6 months old or 8 months and THEN I let them grow up from there and develop. Showing them a hog once a month in different situations.
Well to start with I had one male from a pup that came from Gary, Half Hammonds/heinzl/sunson. I had him almost 2 years before he stopped working hogs like I wanted and was trying to out think everything. Very strange dog. Spooky spooky dog. His other 2 sisters would quit a hog and were very spooky. I didn't keep them as long as their older brother.
1 different female was an ugly hot mess with an awful personality... Spooky, skittish and scared of everything.
1 older female would catch a hog but had no mouth to hold one. Killed her male pups when they were 3 weeks old. Luckily I got the females away from her and finished raising them, I have 2 now and I like them a lot. This older female was an unpredictable man bitter also. I sent her back after I raised pups since she wasn't mine to cull.
1 older female was very ugly and a cur. 4 years old - caught a 30lb pig - quit an 80lber. Sent her back as she wasn't mine to cull. Well bred and she has potential to produce better...
I've eased up on what I require from my dogs but if I am to keep a "well bred" dog of ANY bloodline I want to like at least a few things about them. Personality is #1 and a good conformation is #2 ... If I have to settle for Brood stock type dogs!
Everything I produce off of those "brood stock" dogs will be culled harder than say pups off of 2 proven dogs.
My program, my business for anyone with a rotten attitude. Your not feeding these dogs, I am.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2014, 02:03:46 pm » |
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Thanks for sharing...sounds like I need to look elsewhere if and when I decide to shop for a nice APBT...
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2014, 02:07:19 pm » |
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Yes indeed. The Hammonds blood crosses VERY well with the lines I run. Weve had a high success rate in offspring when crossing his blood into 'ours.'
Exactly what I was hoping to hear. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2014, 02:15:24 pm » |
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I'm not bashing his dogs, they just haven't worked for me yet.
I hope to change that with the last 3 I raised. One is going to MrsLouisiana and the other 2 are with me. If I can't make them better working dogs then I will at least breed FOR better out of them. Then if that doesn't work, to hell with it then!
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2014, 02:35:52 pm » |
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I may be wrong but I believe a good point to be made is that just because a bulldog is game bred, that does not make it game. Plenty a bulldogs now and in the past would tear another dog of the bone, but wouldn't even look at a hog. It's just a different animal.
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2014, 03:24:42 pm » |
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Thanks for sharing...sounds like I need to look elsewhere if and when I decide to shop for a nice APBT...
Could be a better option. I see exactly what she is wanting to accomplish. She wants proven dogs to work HER style. I don't think the is in the business of spreading sub par bulldogs all over the country like some peddlers do now days. I was fortunate enough to get a bulldog from her, and it's the real deal. 7 months old and all business. If and when I need another bulldog it will come from her as I know it will be out of proven dogs, and the pup will already be interested in what it's supposed to do. |
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2014, 03:29:48 pm » |
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Yes indeed, that is VERY TRUE. I've had a few of them old dog battlers tuck tail at a hog.
Just make the best catch dogs the best way you can figure out.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2014, 03:34:32 pm » |
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I may be wrong but I believe a good point to be made is that just because a bulldog is game bred, that does not make it game. Plenty a bulldogs now and in the past would tear another dog of the bone, but wouldn't even look at a hog. It's just a different animal.
Youre right Mitch. Good point to make for those who may read the thread and just think this line is no good all. I do know theres folks out there who do use his dogs as CD's. The dogs still are individuals....no matter what line theyre down from. I wish it were easy to know how every one will turn out. Some dogs start up later than others. This ive seen. Cody and I have talked extensivly about this and picked eachothers brains. Shes got a good ethic. I respect anyone who has their own expectations, knows what they want from their dogs...sticks to it, and culls when needed. And I think its good when people share their experiences, good or bad. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2014, 06:24:28 pm » |
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as for me I want natural instinct to do what it was born to do...if it be a catch dog I want a 12 week old pup to catch a 20 pound shoat by the ear and put his body against the pig and set back and spin with the hog if needed...if I bred apbt's for catching that is exactly what I would breed for...
same with strike dogs...natural to find bay and stick with it at a young age...
breeding natural within a strain begets more of the same...Natural working dogs...
if all that bred working dogs followed those rules there would be a surplus of good dogs...
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2014, 10:10:19 pm » |
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I also know some folks who have pure Hammonds dogs that work well as catchdogs but I have seen some of that sketchy attitude also. I had a Hailstone bred dog given to me some years back and from the time he got here he wanted to eat my wife. She fed him for a week while I was gone and he would wag his tail when she brought food but growl at her as she left. She had to back out of his space or he would charge her. He never was that way with anyone else but he took a dirt nap. Gary likes a bulldog with a little bit of watchdog personality to them which I don't for this breed. I won't ever have another pure one. They also don't make very good brood bitches as a rule compared to some other lines. I know of a good number who you have a hard time getting them to raise pups. I just find it easier to run different lines that suit me better. Gary is a good friend for 30 yrs. but we do things a lpl different. But then he has bred hundreds more dogs than I have and and half the world knows him and nobody knows me. LOL!
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