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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2014, 04:29:24 am » |
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I also know some folks who have pure Hammonds dogs that work well as catchdogs but I have seen some of that sketchy attitude also. I had a Hailstone bred dog given to me some years back and from the time he got here he wanted to eat my wife. She fed him for a week while I was gone and he would wag his tail when she brought food but growl at her as she left. She had to back out of his space or he would charge her. He never was that way with anyone else but he took a dirt nap. Gary likes a bulldog with a little bit of watchdog personality to them which I don't for this breed. I won't ever have another pure one. They also don't make very good brood bitches as a rule compared to some other lines. I know of a good number who you have a hard time getting them to raise pups. I just find it easier to run different lines that suit me better. Gary is a good friend for 30 yrs. but we do things a lpl different. But then he has bred hundreds more dogs than I have and and half the world knows him and nobody knows me. LOL!
Wayout...I would never own a APBT that had watch dog tendencies...just too dangerous to have around...once they fire up they usually won't back off until the job is done and that could go south in a hurry...just my thoughts on that... |
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2014, 09:12:01 am » |
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Ive known Gary for 25 years. The first dogs I got from Gary were directly off Pig, Vito, Andy L, Rufin. We were originally trying some of those to catch cattle. I had a 29 lb female named Rose that could catch a cow and flip her end over end. She was out of a Hammonds female and sired by Ratliff's Gus. Those dogs back then were "smarter" than your average game dog and could be trained for catch work and could be trained to socialize with other dogs. We had a male named Jiggerboo that was a catching machine. He was sired by Hammonds Rufin and his mother was Sarah Belle (a daughter of Perry's Miss Pacman). He would catch cattle or hogs and could be called off. When he was about 2 years old, he "turned on" and killed a Catahoula, and was useless after that. The moral of the story is . . . any bulldog from game lines, has to be watched. Just because they catch good one day, there is always that chance that all of sudden they become interested in dogs instead of hogs. Once they "click on" to dogs, you almost can't turn em back off. I have used gamebred bulldogs to catch and I have used non-gamebred ones as well. In my opinion, the non-game bulldogs consistently make the best catch dogs because they don't come with all the problems, and they still catch good.
Crossing game lines into non-game lines is the way to go. You get the "fire" that comes with the game dog side, and you can kind of docile em back up with the other side (if that makes any sense). If I were looking for a line to cross my non-game blood with, Hammonds line would be a good choice. But all bulldogs are individuals. There are good ones and bad ones in every family of dogs.
And for those of you who don't know . . . "Catch Dog Enterprises" is just a name. It really doesn't mean that Gary is running a "catch dog" breeding program over there in Mansfield, TX. I don't think Gary is a hog hunter or has ever been. However, he is real good honest man.
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2014, 10:06:41 am » |
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Ive known Gary for 25 years. The first dogs I got from Gary were directly off Pig, Vito, Andy L, Rufin. We were originally trying some of those to catch cattle. I had a 29 lb female named Rose that could catch a cow and flip her end over end. She was out of a Hammonds female and sired by Ratliff's Gus. Those dogs back then were "smarter" than your average game dog and could be trained for catch work and could be trained to socialize with other dogs. We had a male named Jiggerboo that was a catching machine. He was sired by Hammonds Rufin and his mother was Sarah Belle (a daughter of Perry's Miss Pacman). He would catch cattle or hogs and could be called off. When he was about 2 years old, he "turned on" and killed a Catahoula, and was useless after that. The moral of the story is . . . any bulldog from game lines, has to be watched. Just because they catch good one day, there is always that chance that all of sudden they become interested in dogs instead of hogs. Once they "click on" to dogs, you almost can't turn em back off. I have used gamebred bulldogs to catch and I have used non-gamebred ones as well. In my opinion, the non-game bulldogs consistently make the best catch dogs because they don't come with all the problems, and they still catch good.
Crossing game lines into non-game lines is the way to go. You get the "fire" that comes with the game dog side, and you can kind of docile em back up with the other side (if that makes any sense). If I were looking for a line to cross my non-game blood with, Hammonds line would be a good choice. But all bulldogs are individuals. There are good ones and bad ones in every family of dogs.
And for those of you who don't know . . . "Catch Dog Enterprises" is just a name. It really doesn't mean that Gary is running a "catch dog" breeding program over there in Mansfield, TX. I don't think Gary is a hog hunter or has ever been. However, he is real good honest man.
Very well said! I'm in the process of the non-game/game crosses. I have some right now and are very making very nice pups. It will take years to see the rest of it through. |
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2014, 11:29:51 am » |
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I agree with you Slim on most all that you posted. One thing that " turns those game dogs on" is a dang growly cur dog that challenges them. Either way the catch dog is done. I have been happy with my Jeep/Rascal/Redboy stuff as it has not been real dog aggressive but I'm looking to cross it into friends non-game catchdog stuff to get that "perfect cross". Time will tell. The only thing I was unhappy about with my blood was it didn't pick a spot well enuf. They were too excited and grabbed the first thing they got. If I lived down there and hunted more it might be fixed but I am only there for a month in the winter. And your comments on Gary being honest are right on. One of very few still around who saw Bullyson and know the truth!
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« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2014, 03:49:45 pm » |
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Blake that was a nicely bred good lookin dog you had there
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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2014, 06:59:50 pm » |
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I agree with you Slim on most all that you posted. One thing that " turns those game dogs on" is a dang growly cur dog that challenges them. Either way the catch dog is done. I have been happy with my Jeep/Rascal/Redboy stuff as it has not been real dog aggressive but I'm looking to cross it into friends non-game catchdog stuff to get that "perfect cross". Time will tell. The only thing I was unhappy about with my blood was it didn't pick a spot well enuf. They were too excited and grabbed the first thing they got. If I lived down there and hunted more it might be fixed but I am only there for a month in the winter. And your comments on Gary being honest are right on. One of very few still around who saw Bullyson and know the truth!
10-4 on that West. Best catch dog I ever saw is dog named Norman. He is sired by some scatter bred Stompanato stuff, Floyd's stuff, Tommy Curry's old stuff, and mixed with some non gamebred stuff. Smart, gets along with all dogs, and a straight up bulldog on a hog, no quit whatsoever. I think it is that mix of game to non-game that gives you the best dogs. They have the staying power and the BRAINS without the problems. I think you could take a big stout 65 lb non-game bitch (blue dog or whatever) that catches good. Cross her with a standard size game dog and that is a good recipe to give you some sic em get em type 50-55 lb dogs that are athletic and can function in the woods. But as we know, whatever catches good and gets the job done is all you need, no matter the breeding. A very good friend of mine passed away this year, Cecil Pond. He saw Bullyson and Eli Jr. and their daddy Eli. He said that Bullyson did in fact quit against Benny Bob, but that has always been a debate depending on who you ask. I have heard several guys who saw both, said Eli Jr was better than Bully, but who cares right? As for Gary Hammonds, not a more honest dog man alive. |
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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2014, 02:01:43 pm » |
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Nice bred dog. Pure Floyd B. on the bottom. You know your dogs better than me but it would scare the bejesus out of me to put mine in a box where I couldn't watch them. I have hauled them in an open trailer where we could see them. That Tindal fellow on that ped did a ring for me years ago out of my old wedding band. He copied a silver bulldog head of Gr.Ch. Art that I had and I love it. He was recommended by JoAnne LeBlanc. Did great work!
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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2014, 02:24:02 pm » |
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Thanks. I don't normally keep a catch dog with the bay dogs other than this guy. He just has zero dog aggression He will even share his food bowl n the house with the yellow dogs.
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« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2014, 03:53:47 pm » |
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Sounds like an all around good one! I really like a dog with the self confidence like that. I suspect he would be hell on wheels if something pushed him past his limits.
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« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2014, 07:41:37 pm » |
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Well I got my pup tonight. Hes a beast lmao. Cody I think you feed your pups miracle grow haha. It was GREAT meeting you and your husband tonight! Hope your lil pup from me turns out to be exactly what youre wanting  |
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« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2014, 01:22:15 pm » |
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Thanks! It was a pleasure meeting you and your family. I have high hopes for Six! He looks like his momma |
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« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2014, 04:57:25 pm » |
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Mona breeds some good dogs! The Cali bitch was bred by me. I sent my Snipper down to TLK to breed to Musket. I still have Cali's brother but he is done as a catchdog since he got one whole side of his mouth yanked out.
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« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2014, 06:15:33 pm » |
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Mona breeds some good dogs! The Cali bitch was bred by me. I sent my Snipper down to TLK to breed to Musket. I still have Cali's brother but he is done as a catchdog since he got one whole side of his mouth yanked out.
lol That's cool to know! I know from getting on here every so often that you are one of the very educated bulldog men on here and it's clear to see why. You've been in the dogs for a while and have fed and produced some quality animals. It's nice to know that I can thank you for my Luna dog. Without you and your actions, I wouldn't be feeding her today. I sincerely appreciate your contribution to the bulldog world! And yes, Mona has and breeds some good bulldogs. This dog I have from her doesn't have a fearful bone in her body lol. Again, thank you! |
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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2014, 08:51:25 pm » |
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Your welcome! I still have Cali's uncle here too. He is the last living son of my Oreo bitch. He will be 11 on New Years Eve. Hope she is everything you need. I've felt they were some pretty smart dogs who will give you everything they have.
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« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2014, 09:20:38 pm » |
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Sounds like you have/had some bulldogs that anybody would be proud to feed. 11 is a long life, I'm sure he's had a good one! Luna is a work in progress. I got her when she was 13 months old and it appeared to me that she wasn't showed that much attention. I'm assuming that because of her demeanor (skiddish/spooky) and she was on the thin and frail side. She's come a long way since I got her about 10 months ago but she's still a work in progress. Either way, I'm happy to have her here and she won't be going anywhere. She isn't the "smartest" dog that I've fed but I will agree that this dog will give it everything she has. She is FULL speed ahead 24/7 lol! Kudos to you, WOW.
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« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2014, 10:22:42 pm » |
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I was given Oreo by Crenshaw when she was 8 wks. and she was given a lot of attention. She was friendly but always on the shy side. Many of her offspring were that way. They were much better off when in a smaller yard of dogs. Yours was on a large yard of dogs and while it is a very well cared for yard they don't get a bunch of one on one. Oreo had 20 pups in 3 litters and never lost a pup. One thing I really appreciated about that line. The LG stuff is very good that way also.
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