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« on: December 28, 2014, 10:05:37 am » |
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I have never been one to have papered dogs. My question is what line of black mouths holds the best working blood and in that I mean from treeing to baying? Handle temper and so forth
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my dogs dont run deer but them hogs do
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2014, 10:41:29 am » |
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only ones I know of that are the best tree dogs is the ladner line , pretty good hog dogs as well but are gritty sob's .
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2014, 01:56:35 pm » |
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yeah, all that mountain cur over the years really strengthened their "looking up a tree" game. Plus from what ive seen the Ladner folks posting on facebook, registered blackmouth curs come in every color under the sun and love to cuddle up in blankets with their fur mommies too! talk about versatility!!!
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2014, 02:11:02 pm » |
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Don't bring that BS in here please. I have had to look at the pissing match for a week. If u don't like his dogs fine. If he don't like urs fine. Leave it at that. Tell a man about ur dog. Show ur dog. Let the other do the same and let the 3rd man decide what he likes.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2014, 03:07:40 pm » |
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I'm asking for truth from ones heart not a lie from there lips thanks
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my dogs dont run deer but them hogs do
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2014, 03:14:09 pm » |
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Let's just say a bunch of grown men been acting like high school girls.
Bay hard I don't have a papered BMC and haven't hunted with enough to give an honest opinion.
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2014, 03:21:12 pm » |
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Thanks shotgun
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my dogs dont run deer but them hogs do
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2014, 04:30:57 pm » |
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my advice is that you go hunt with people in person and listen with your eyes, because your ears (and breeders on the net) will lie to ya.
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2014, 05:16:27 pm » |
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my advice is that you go hunt with people in person and listen with your eyes, because your ears (and breeders on the net) will lie to ya.
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2014, 06:11:37 pm » |
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I've been hunting along time I was just looking from other hunters eyes
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my dogs dont run deer but them hogs do
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2014, 07:17:05 pm » |
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one thing about cow dog stock...they might not have the inclination to take a track,use their nose or to even hunt...but they sure can have baying style...so make sure to do your homework well and find a line that has both traits...I have seen good tree dogs converted to hog dogs and they have gone on to be great hog dogs in a short time...IMO a dog that gets excited about a squirrel or coon in a tree will go nuts over a hog...
East Texas curs are usually not registered for good reason...because they are mixtures of cur, hound, mt cur and other mixes that has worked...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2014, 08:02:05 pm » |
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Them cur dogs aren't registered cuz the people behind the dogs could care less about the internet, papers, or what you think. They raise dogs to do a job, if they don't they're culled, and the ones that do are raised, and most don't see a need to advertise what they got, or the other guy might start doing their job with dogs they've worked so hard to do.
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2014, 08:12:17 pm » |
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Come on guys. Can y'all not recommend one without talking bad of the other. SMH
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2014, 10:39:41 pm » |
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Bayhard.
Although your original question was asked in true sincerity. The end result will always come down to everyones personal preferences and acquired knowledge of performance. (Or their perception if what Good is).
I will stay completely neutral in this one, even though I carry deep biased opinions on lines I have witnessed fail and consider a complete waste of time.
A suggestion is to analyze your question backwards!
Dissect your own personality and temperament along with some realistic qualities in a hunting dog that you would never waiver from if it doesn't possess them.
I believe you would be well ahead of your own question after you have came to terms of what quality of a dog would make you happy. Then find the best suited line that compliments you!
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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2014, 06:06:10 am » |
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Not trying to ruffle any feathers or start an argument but as far as the Ladner dogs go I live in the same area as the source of these dogs and no one who hunts hard and all the time will feed them. They are bred solely on profit and not production. Your buying a name. There are a few individuals who have kept a few of the old mans dogs and have bred them true and straight but they don't advertise and only breed a gyp every few years. I've seen countless of these dogs and maybe a handful of them were mediocre dogs at best. If you can find someone who has bred this line of dogs for personal use and could get a pup from them you would be better off. You would figure if those dogs were all they are advertised to be then the folks that live around him would be hunting them. Heck the fella who has taken over even was advertising a while back that the price of his pups were going up because the price of feed was, if that don't tell ya what he's in it for then I don't know what to tell ya.
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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2014, 11:23:24 am » |
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one thing about cow dog stock...they might not have the inclination to take a track,use their nose or to even hunt...but they sure can have baying style...
This describes the experience I had with a gyp BMC I bought in the 90's, I was wanting a bit more tree minded dog. She was more what Reuben described. |
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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2014, 06:47:10 pm » |
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You've lived a sheltered life if you haven't saw a stockdog that would go hunting and or take a track.
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2014, 07:03:42 pm » |
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The stock dogs described above that don't hunt or trail are what we call "pasture dogs" the ones that are tree dogs are what we call "log walkers" real stockdogs don't tree and will hunt and trail, nor do they need Mt. Cur or Hound crossed in them to perform their job, it is actually detrimental to their instincts and traits necessary to properly perform the job they were designed for.
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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2014, 07:10:22 pm » |
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You've lived a sheltered life if you haven't saw a stockdog that would go hunting and or take a track.
In my younger days I hunted with a few more folks than with I do now...but the ratio was a little lopsided imo...and my theory to my observations has yo do with how a lot of cowboys use their dogs...more often than not there is no hunting involved...just round them up and drive them to the corral... My advice to the papered bmc question is to do your homework and buy a pup from someone who hunts bmc... one of the best hogdogs I hunted behind was a red bmc that was a cull because he busted bays...but the new owner caught many hogs behind this dog... |
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